Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 How many spectators buy tickets to watch the pub matches that run all over the country every week? That would be a fairer comparison to league Speedway. Football is the national sport and can attract spectators almost despite itself, loyalties and promotion of the sport begins in the cradle in millions of homes, no other sport can compare. And where does Peter Collins in the Star fit in with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Nor to watch Arsenal beat Cardiff City today - an attendance of 60,004. What has this got to do with PC's comments in the Star? A thread goes where it goes - I can see why attendances at other sporting events became involved, especially when people began mentioning the effect of the recession on Speedway attendances. Edited January 2, 2014 by salty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 And where does Peter Collins in the Star fit in with this? Peter Collins wrote in the Star about the current state of British Speedway, which is still what we are discussing. Read the items for sale topic about two bikes for sale and tell me my post here isn't more relevant than yours on there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Peter Collins wrote in the Star about the current state of British Speedway, which is still what we are discussing. Read the items for sale topic about two bikes for sale and tell me my post here isn't more relevant than yours on there! My comment in 'items for sale' was designed to draw attention to how costs for speedway bikes have changed over the past 57 years. I am sorry you missed the point of that comparison. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75484&do=findComment&comment=2390646 But sadly I cannot still see the relevance between pub darts matches and football with Peter Collins' recent article in Speedway Star. Edited January 2, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 My comment in 'items for sale' was designed to draw attention to how costs for speedway bikes have changed over the past 57 years. I am sorry you missed the point of that comparison. But sadly I cannot still see the relevance between pub darts matches and football with Peter Collins' recent article in Speedway Star. But you were the one who quoted Arsenal's crowd yesterday!!! Read the thread and you will see why we got here! To save you the heartache - simply - the thread moved from a specific critique of PC's article to a more general discussion on the reasons behind Speedway's struggles to attract good crowds now compared to yesteryear. Somebody mentioned the effect of the recession and then others mentioned how the attendances at the World Darts and at Arsenal (that was you) showed that people were still happy to spend good money to attend sporting events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 My comment in 'items for sale' was designed to draw attention to how costs for speedway bikes have changed over the past 57 years. I am sorry you missed the point of that comparison. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75484&do=findComment&comment=2390646 But sadly I cannot still see the relevance between pub darts matches and football with Peter Collins' recent article in Speedway Star. I think you perhaps missed the point that it is an 'items for sale' section not a place for discussion about prices from 50 years ago! I think you may also have missed the point, again, that this thread is about Peter Collins views on the current state of Speedway. That then moved on to attendencaes which are at the heart of the sports problems. Then onto why those problems exist, all relevant as far as I can tell. Everybody else seems to be happy with the way the thread has evolved, if you're not then stop reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Everybody else seems to be happy with the way the thread has evolved, if you're not then stop reading it. It is a supposed to be a debate. That's why I am commenting - it is an exchange of opinions and I am free to make them not to be told to stop reading the exchange of ideas. When members post comments like yours it tends to indicate they may sense their views are losing momentum and the best way is to silence alternative comment? I think you perhaps missed the point that it is an 'items for sale' section not a place for discussion about prices from 50 years ago! Yes, I could easily have started a new thread to debate how costings for speedway equipment have changed over the past 50 years. It would then have probably have developed as BSF threads tend to do these days into a debate about who was the last top class leg trail rider! Edited January 2, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 This is my last word on the subject because we now really have moved away from anything to do with the original subject which I will happily keep discussing as I see fit for as long as I want to do so. Yours wasn't an alternative comment, it was a criticism that the post I made was not relevant to the subject. I then replied (debated!)stating why I thought it was. I also pointed out that you had made what I viewed as a very out of place posting in the items for sale section. I was not trying to stifle genuine debate but avoid being told what I can post by somebody who is guilty of doing worse. The items for sale is exactly what it says not a place for debate at all. There is a years gone by section for exactly the sort of debate you want to haveabout equipment costings. If you want to continue 'debating' the point do so by PM and save everybody else from reading this tripe. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) I think you perhaps missed the point that it is an 'items for sale' section not a place for discussion about prices from 50 years ago! Yes, I could easily have started a new thread to debate how costings for speedway equipment have changed over the past 50 years. It would then have probably have developed as BSF threads tend to do these days into a debate about who was the last top class leg trail rider! The items for sale is exactly what it says not a place for debate at all. There is a years gone by section for exactly the sort of debate you want to haveabout equipment costings. I thought that I had agreed my posting WAS in the wrong place? It seems on here even when one agrees that a mistake had been made it's not accepted? Oh, congratulations. Nice to see the "usual" like this group in support for you! And here's my update on the topic! http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75498&do=findComment&comment=2391131 Edited January 2, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 its difficult to feel you are ever watching "your team" when they are doubling up elsewhere, nite after nite.. it feels riders are just earning there crust riding where ever, whenever..course they have to make a living, but it get to a stage when you don't even know who owns who..the sport itself is fine, but the product is let down by a whole host of things.. it needs lock tight rules like the gp..gp racing comes across as professional, and the w.cup almost has it rite.. You ARE a 'JOKER'!! :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 could you explain why that post is a joke? if riders wear 3 different race jackets a week does that do the sport credit? do you know who owns who anymore? gp rules are far more locktite than lge racing, unless you pinpoint what is soo wrong with the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 its difficult to feel you are ever watching "your team" when they are doubling up elsewhere, nite after nite.. it feels riders are just earning there crust riding where ever, whenever..course they have to make a living, but it get to a stage when you don't even know who owns who..the sport itself is fine, but the product is let down by a whole host of things.. it needs lock tight rules like the gp..gp racing comes across as professional, and the w.cup almost has it rite.. could you explain why that post is a joke? if riders wear 3 different race jackets a week does that do the sport credit? do you know who owns who anymore? gp rules are far more locktite than lge racing, unless you pinpoint what is soo wrong with the post? If you are directing this Post at me I will be only too happy to explain. I never mentioned Leathers. You stated that, in your opinion, the Speedway World Cup has it almost rite (sic) I was having a play on the word 'Joker', you know, the stupid System that rewards failure in the S.W.C. That's all. If THAT is what you call getting it right - then heaven help Speedway. :rolleyes: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think I said the world cup almost got it rite..totally agree with you bout the joker rule..i do believe the gps are credible, and I wasn't havin a pop at lge racing, but it isn't easy to sell to a large audience, when things like 1 guest riders appear 2 r/r 3 poole last season racing with 4 guests and r/r 4 doyle riding at 1 with Birmingham whilst in prem lge, the list could be endless..just think personally, gps come across in the main as a proper sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think I said the world cup almost got it rite..That is what you said.Of course someone is always going to read it wrong.But i agree,it is almost right.Scrap the joker and please don't have weak host nations seeded into the final and it would be "rite" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) I think I said the world cup almost got it rite..totally agree with you bout the joker rule..i do believe the gps are credible, and I wasn't havin a pop at lge racing, but it isn't easy to sell to a large audience, when things like 1 guest riders appear 2 r/r 3 poole last season racing with 4 guests and r/r 4 doyle riding at 1 with Birmingham whilst in prem lge, the list could be endless..just think personally, gps come across in the main as a proper sport But League Racing is the bread and butter of BRITISH Speedway. BSI (owners of the GP Series) do not, as far as I know, plough any of the money made from the Grand Prix Series back in to Speedway - either British, Swedish, Polish or Danish. It is all pure Profit for them. They put on a good Show - but crucially - the ONLY people to make money out of the GPs are BSI. This is one of the main reasons that I am so against the GP Series - it is a business venture rather than a Sport. That is what you said.Of course someone is always going to read it wrong.But i agree,it is almost right.Scrap the joker and please don't have weak host nations seeded into the final and it would be "rite" .............................. and that is what I quoted. Oh! and I didn't read it wrong. Perhaps YOU read MY Post wrongly though. :) Edited January 2, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 If THAT is what you call getting it right - then heaven help Speedway. :rolleyes: Hmmmmm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Calm down everyone! Like watching WWE - not World Wrestling Entertainment - rather Wrinkly Wresting Entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 agree with all of above, all I was trying to say is, as a fan in the 70s (don't mean to harp back), yes still had guest riders, I just preferred pre-doubling up, knowing whose in what team, and not seeing same riders every other week in different race jackets...im fully aware it has to be how it is, and personally bringing in 20 odd national lge riders isn't a step forward for me..(know people will disagree), but surely its up to promoters to spot talent and sign them up themselves..after all, we do have the current world champion, who was spotted and came through the ranks. I DONT claim im rite, I personally unsure, and come October I would happily hold my hands up and say I was wrong....after all, this forum is opinions, and we all differ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 agree with all of above, all I was trying to say is, as a fan in the 70s (don't mean to harp back), yes still had guest riders, I just preferred pre-doubling up, knowing whose in what team, and not seeing same riders every other week in different race jackets...im fully aware it has to be how it is, and personally bringing in 20 odd national lge riders isn't a step forward for me..(know people will disagree), but surely its up to promoters to spot talent and sign them up themselves..after all, we do have the current world champion, who was spotted and came through the ranks. I DONT claim im rite, I personally unsure, and come October I would happily hold my hands up and say I was wrong....after all, this forum is opinions, and we all differ Sorry to be right, but right is not spelt rite, in this country! But do agree with most of your points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 TWK ... BSI pay the FIM a considerable sum of money every year. Your argument really should be with the FIM and what they do with that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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