Popular Post moxey63 Posted December 23, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have often been regarded as a dinosaur, a misery guts, a speedway-caller-of-names, but after reading Peter Collins’ article in the current Speedway Star, I am not alone in my honest views of the sport, which we all love. The Master of Belle Vue’s Past has opinions that mostly echo mine – he thinks the Play-Offs have been detrimental to the British season, although admits they have been a success. He says (and I agree) that most league meetings are of no importance and that teams can fine-tune for the October PO showdown. He believes also that the Play Offs have shoved the KO Cup onto the backburner and dwarfed it in importance, that the Golden Double and Joker rules are pathetic for serious speedway connoisseurs (like me and PC), and that the four, three, two and one match points for a team winning depending on how big of a win it attains is also debatable. Another one of his gripes, races being called back for false starts/riders jumping the start. PC (and again I agree) says if a riders makes the starts (long as he doesn’t touch the tapes), then it is anticipation and not a jump-start. I have seen Stuart Robson punished several times on SKY for anticipating the start, the race being re-run despite Robson not doing anything other than having quick reflexes at that perfect time. Happy Christmas PC… and Best Wishes for 2014. Least I can sleep now knowing I’m not talking tosh, and somebody agrees with my views. What better man to have agreeing with old moxey63 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Have to agree with you PC's opinions exactly match mine as well......Well said PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have often been regarded as a dinosaur, a misery guts, a speedway-caller-of-names, but after reading Peter Collins’ article in the current Speedway Star, I am not alone in my honest views of the sport, which we all love. The Master of Belle Vue’s Past has opinions that mostly echo mine – he thinks the Play-Offs have been detrimental to the British season, although admits they have been a success. He says (and I agree) that most league meetings are of no importance and that teams can fine-tune for the October PO showdown. He believes also that the Play Offs have shoved the KO Cup onto the backburner and dwarfed it in importance, that the Golden Double and Joker rules are pathetic for serious speedway connoisseurs (like me and PC), and that the four, three, two and one match points for a team winning depending on how big of a win it attains is also debatable. Another one of his gripes, races being called back for false starts/riders jumping the start. PC (and again I agree) says if a riders makes the starts (long as he doesn’t touch the tapes), then it is anticipation and not a jump-start. I have seen Stuart Robson punished several times on SKY for anticipating the start, the race being re-run despite Robson not doing anything other than having quick reflexes at that perfect time. Happy Christmas PC… and Best Wishes for 2014. Least I can sleep now knowing I’m not talking tosh, and somebody agrees with my views. What better man to have agreeing with old moxey63 What a GREAT Thread. Nice to know that someone who really knows Speedway through and through, largely has the same opinions as myself. :approve: :approve: I feel vindicated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 good article I'm in agreement with him,just a pity that the sport suffers from Promoters who's main concern is self interest . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 No doubt he was a great,great rider.That doesn't automatically mean he would be a great promoter or administrator and know what is best for the sport nowadays.Like most of us though i am sure he just wants the best for speedway and for it to be the success it used to be in his heyday. I just hope speedway and PC's(at least the last i heard he wasn't in the best of health...) health improves next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Old Man In "I Prefer Old Speedway" Shocker Edited December 23, 2013 by MattK 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Best piece I've read in the star for years! Any chance he could do a regular column ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Agree with most of what PC says . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I agree with every word in the article, it should be compulsory reading for every Promoter, in fact dump the BSPA and put Peter in charge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think you meant to say Speedway legend, who has forgotten more about speedway than you will ever know, knows what he's talking about shocker! I wonder if he pays to get in to speedway meetings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I wonder if he pays to get in to speedway meetings? And what the HELL has that to do with anything? :mad: The man is a LEGEND - NOTHING more to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What makes PC any better at knowing what is good for speedway than anyone else? Yes he could ride a bike but that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. He's right about jumping the start though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What makes PC any better at knowing what is good for speedway than anyone else? Yes he could ride a bike but that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. He's right about jumping the start though. Mauger would never been World Champ if every good start he made was called back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 And what the HELL has that to do with anything? :mad: Because if Peter Collins stops going to speedway, it would make no difference what so ever. However, if I stopped going to speedway, a club would be making £17 less every week. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnob Smith Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 agree with most of what pc says especially about the starts if a rider gets a great start with out touching the tapes and has been stationary at the start fair play to him, next thing they will do is pull it back because someone didn't start as well as the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 agree with most of what pc says especially about the starts if a rider gets a great start with out touching the tapes and has been stationary at the start fair play to him, next thing they will do is pull it back because someone didn't start as well as the restYou can make a jump start despite being still and not touching the tapes. The trouble is Speedway has no way of proving it to be the case as they can in Athletics for example. The majority of 'blinders' are of course actually rollers and totally illegal. Too many riders sit too far back from the tapes and get awat with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Because if Peter Collins stops going to speedway, it would make no difference what so ever. However, if I stopped going to speedway, a club would be making £17 less every week. Not really. A club only makes money if somebody pays to go through the turnstiles. For instance, If you pay £17, then it's income for the track. Until you hand over the pennies, don't think a club counts the revenue. The thing is, PC speaks sense... whether he pays to get in speedway or not. Some present day promoters take money out, make silly rules, and then blame a loss of revenue. Revenue should only be counted when it's banked, so persuading fans through the gate is important. The sport was a lot better value and worthy when PC rode. That I will acept no arguements over. As terraces showed, there was more revenue coming in. Edited December 23, 2013 by moxey63 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Old Man In "I Prefer Old Speedway" ShockerDaft comment and an insult to one of the best and most exciting riders ever seen on a speedway track. Put more bums on seats than any other British rider.Most who know anything about speedway would agree and understand every point he makes. But then again you in your eyes he is just an old man who doesn't deserve to have an opinion. If i stood next to you at a track i'd give the Promoter seventeen quid not to let you in. Money well spent 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 agree with most of what pc says especially about the starts if a rider gets a great start with out touching the tapes and has been stationary at the start fair play to him, next thing they will do is pull it back because someone didn't start as well as the restThe key is 'Has been stationary at the start' , that's what several riders have been doing - goes beyond anticipation when the back wheel is spinning before the tapes release! I hope they keep pulling these riders back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Daft comment and an insult to one of the best and most exciting riders ever seen on a speedway track. Put more bums on seats than any other British rider. Most who know anything about speedway would agree and understand every point he makes. But then again you in your eyes he is just an old man who doesn't deserve to have an opinion. If i stood next to you at a track i'd give the Promoter seventeen quid not to let you in. Money well spent Nobody has said he should have no opinion. everyone is entitled to an opinion. But just because he could ride a speedway bike better than most 30-odd years ago doesn't mean he knows how to make the sport a success now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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