stevebrum Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 All he can do is qualify and he of course has done this once and as 1st reserve for last season There are many so called better riders who have not achieved that................actually his qualification record is probably better than Harris, Nicholls and of course he went further in the qualification process for the 2013 series than the 2013 World Champion While I understand some of the views, I am pleased to see him back at a track where he will score a lot of points. They have mucked him about royally in the past few seasons And its a point well made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I am well aware of the losses situation and the new factors, and what may or may not of happened at the AGM. What we really need to know is if Trump99 is going to fund the losses for EL racing. We will have to wait for Donald's response i suppose ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) In reality Crump 99, the crowd levels over the last few years are not good enough to sustain Elite League Speedway. On face value that's true but generally the product has not been good enough. Poor teams, fragmented fixture list and away disaster after disaster. People are not going to turn up for that. After 5 years Frost eventually got it right by bringing in Sullivan, producing a smooth consistent racing surface and signing a winning team of racers, Crowds started to pick up, it's not rocket science. We don't belong in the Prem for that reason IMO. It was only about getting the right people in post wasn't it? Anyway, we are where we are so I'll go with it even if I'm not happy, which isn't unusual to be fair I am well aware of the losses situation and the new factors, and what may or may not of happened at the AGM. What we really need to know is if Trump99 is going to fund the losses for EL racing. I would fight fire with fire but my insult will get deleted - Did Horton make a loss in 2006? Time to move on & enjoy our speedway at the EOES. Good luck to the riders & management for the new season. Fair point Edited January 24, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 On face value that's true but generally the product has not been good enough. Poor teams, fragmented fixture list and away disaster after disaster. People are not going to turn up for that. After 5 years Frost eventually got it right by bringing in Sullivan, producing a smooth consistent racing surface and signing a winning team of racers, Crowds started to pick up, it's not rocket science. We don't belong in the Prem for that reason IMO. It was only about getting the right people in post wasn't it? Anyway, we are where we are so I'll go with it even if I'm not happy, which isn't unusual to be fair I would fight fire with fire but my insult will get deleted - Did Horton make a loss in 2006? Fair point You hide it so well. So if you are confident from something that happened 8 years ago, get ya money out and put it into the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 You hide it so well. So if you are confident from something that happened 8 years ago, get ya money out and put it into the club. Is that a yes or a no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Main problem has been the club living beyond its means yes Readypower bank rolled the club but if the club hadn't spent silly money on riders and cut its cloth accordingly maybe the club would still be in the EL . Edited January 25, 2014 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Even towards the end of last season, the crowds were not sufficient to cover the costs of Elite League racing. Be interesting to know what crowd would have been required to break even last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Even towards the end of last season, the crowds were not sufficient to cover the costs of Elite League racing. Be interesting to know what crowd would have been required to break even last season. i thought mr frost quoted before the season started , 2000 was the break even mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Peterborough speedway has been bankrolled for a number of years now! I'm convinced the problems there started when the traditional Friday night racenight was changed! The two tracks I spectate at the most Ipswich and Mildenhall both have long standing traditional racenights and are both well supported compared to most other tracks in this day and age. If both moved to another racenight or had the infrequency of irregular racenights like Peterborough have had then both would see reduced crowd levels and in Ipswich case, it has nearly always had bigger crowds than Peterborough! Regular Friday night speedway at the EofES and Peterborough speedway would hold its own, maybe even without a rich benefactor propping it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If that figure is correct hans fan, we were a long way short of breaking even, because we didn't get near that figure towards the end of the season. In the middle of the season the crowds were below 1000. Knock off all the freebies, & the gate receipts must have been shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Is that a yes or a no? Does it matter. Suggest you don't base a business plan on something 8 year old, and also read the comments on here from your own fans. They are realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The amount of freeloaders come the end of last season was beyond a joke, more cars inside the tracks grounds than outside, that needs to change this season IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The amount of freeloaders come the end of last season was beyond a joke, more cars inside the tracks grounds than outside, that needs to change this season IMO. This is one way Speedway Promoters could get a grip. There are far too many people who get in to Speedway Tracks for NOTHING. :mad: This has been going on for as long as I have been going to Speedway (forty years) and must have been going on long before that. Every person who gets in free - apart from those who are entitled to - is putting another nail in Speedway's coffin. I honestly believe that ALL freebies should be stopped apart from Promotional Events. Speedway simply cannot afford freeloaders. :mad: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 This is one way Speedway Promoters could get a grip. There are far too many people who get in to Speedway Tracks for NOTHING. :mad: This has been going on for as long as I have been going to Speedway (forty years) and must have been going on long before that. Every person who gets in free - apart from those who are entitled to - is putting another nail in Speedway's coffin. I honestly believe that ALL freebies should be stopped apart from Promotional Events. Speedway simply cannot afford freeloaders. :mad: Someone fairly high up in speedway told me that in Australia everyone pays to get in, but track workers and the like go and get it redeemed after the meeting. Not too sure how practical that is in the UK, but it does make you think. Riders of course could do there bit, instead of bringing in all of their community in their vans. Why should any previous rider be allowed in free and bring his mate, and especially why be allowed to stand in the pits presumably with a free proggie in their hand. Fans who pay to get in can see the freeloaders and it upsets a lot of people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern1 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 This is one way Speedway Promoters could get a grip. There are far too many people who get in to Speedway Tracks for NOTHING. :mad: This has been going on for as long as I have been going to Speedway (forty years) and must have been going on long before that. Every person who gets in free - apart from those who are entitled to - is putting another nail in Speedway's coffin. I honestly believe that ALL freebies should be stopped apart from Promotional Events. Speedway simply cannot afford freeloaders. :mad: most tracks try and stop the freeloaders, as far as i am aware the only people who should get in for free are riders, mechanics and track staff. most clubs allow 1 mechanic and one guest with each rider but trying to enforce this can be a nightmare as they hide in vans that are kitted out with beds etc and without completely searching every van as they go through the pitgate sometimes 2-3 can sneak in on every van. 14 vans with say 2 sneaking in can cost a club charging £15 entry is £420 in lost revenue to each club each meeting. stamp this out and it can make a small difference over a season. track staff all get in free and i think this is fair as they as far as i can see work hard but i have seen them going into tracks with a car full and their friends/family go straight to the stand and dont pay entry. this should also be stamped out as it cost the club. after these important people are in everyone else should be sent to the gate and made to pay entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 With the incredible season ticket prices from the new management, everybody can afford to pay this year. The ironic thing reference admission prices, is that 1 or 2 posters on here who claim its a £10 sport, dont pay to get in anyway ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irk Deflector Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The amount of freeloaders come the end of last season was beyond a joke, more cars inside the tracks grounds than outside, that needs to change this season IMO.Easy to make such a judgement but take a look at the number of sponsors including individuals who paid more than double the price of the basic season ticket. TheseST holders were allowed them to park inside the Showground - good business for the Panthers. Add Blue Badges, track staff, catering/bar staff, stewards etc. and the numbers of freebies might not be so many. Regardless of the number of freebie it was Frost's choice as he was clearly picking up the bill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) some Does it matter. Suggest you don't base a business plan on something 8 year old, and also read the comments on here from your own fans. They are realistic. Well yes it does really. The original point I disagreed with was that Panthers belong in the Prem but suddenly I've got to finance the situation and the bloke you couldn't stop putting the boot into, who won naff all in 5 years despite his wealth and Panthers own resources is suddenly your example of efficient promotion. Of course the fans point to the crowd, what do you expect with that record. Frost made some bad choices from the off and continued to do so until Sullivan arrived so is it any wonder he made a loss. Anyway, I bow to your Panthers experience, I've only been going 30+ years myself and hope to be realistic one day! Edited January 25, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Easy to make such a judgement but take a look at the number of sponsors including individuals who paid more than double the price of the basic season ticket. TheseST holders were allowed them to park inside the Showground - good business for the Panthers. Add Blue Badges, track staff, catering/bar staff, stewards etc. and the numbers of freebies might not be so many. Regardless of the number of freebie it was Frost's choice as he was clearly picking up the bill! It's always been a problem for every promotion, I must be honest and say it didn't look like Peterborough were on top of it but as someone said if the boss doesn't mind why should we. I liked the every one paid in the Australia quote and staff were refunded afterwards, remains to be seen if Horton changes things but I seriously doubt it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 The amount of freeloaders come the end of last season was beyond a joke, more cars inside the tracks grounds than outside, that needs to change this season IMO. The vast majority of those who are allowed to park inside the grounds are paying customers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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