george.m Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Do you know him know him or do you stalk him know him like everyone else? Ryan Fisher not committed? Even as a Glasgow Tiger I know he's so committed on track ... ... he should be committed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) So I thought PL was all about racing with your full team every week ? Was always a poor move using Fisher as he had already signed for the Bees . Guess the PL is very similar in terms as riders unavailable to the EL The one selling point of the PL was it's stabilty but that's looking at bit suspect at the moment. When the rulebook is finished (not March 1 yet) and published it'll be interesting to see what the AGM statement didn't say? As for Fisher, seems logical being an existing Panther and one of Horton's merry men. If a like for like guest is the option when not available then that's not too bad on the face of it although not ideal, but it doesn't look like we'll be alone with such problems. Could be a different matter at the business end of the season though. Edited January 19, 2014 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 The one selling point of the PL was it's stabilty but that's looking at bit suspect at the moment. When the rulebook is finished (not March 1 yet) and published it'll be interesting to see what the AGM statement didn't say? As for Fisher, seems logical being an existing Panther and one of Horton's merry men. If a like for like guest is the option when not available then that's not too bad on the face of it although not ideal, but it doesn't look like we'll be alone with such problems. Could be a different matter at the business end of the season though. Very poor planning in my opinion. Your no 1 rider missing a minimum of 7 meetings, that's without reschedules and going beyond round one of competitions. Supporters want a consistent team line up. We don't know how riders injured in meetings will be replaced (NL riders can't race against the big boys), or how we replace NL riders that are double booked. The NL and PL were ticking along nicely, the EL comes along and makes a decision that screws everything up. They make these stupid rash changes without carrying out a thorough risk analysis. It's now totally out of control. Rip it up and start again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I would personally get rid of Fisher as we need Somebody who is COMMITTED! It's you that needs committing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I would personally get rid of Fisher as we need Somebody who is COMMITTED! My list of potential number 1's 1. Liglad (Reshuffle of side needed) 2. Tomas H Jonasson (Unlikely) 3. Krzystof Buczkowski (Reshuffle needed) 4. Jurica Pavlic (UK experience and would fit in nicely) How can the fans make a emotional connection with the side if riders are missing for most of the time and in particular the star number 1 rider? Also... Why is Sullivan not involved with the side? I know Ryan and he would walk over broken burning glass bare footed to ride for the Panthers and we need him involved in the team management side. Not sure he would be fit to ride if he did that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 The NL and PL were ticking along nicely, the EL comes along and makes a decision that screws everything up. They make these stupid rash changes without carrying out a thorough risk analysis. It's now totally out of control. LOL. So you think it s fair that a rider rides for his PL teams when he has a clash with his NL team? And another rider rides for his PL team when he has a clash with his EL team? The PL clubs wants to have their cake and eat it (stupid saying!). Either riders double up or down but NO, they ride for their Pl team and then EL and NL teams can borrow them? Even fi the rider belongs to the EL or the NL club. Sounds liek the Pl are just being put in their place. There still a Pl bias though. Why should Coventry asset Ryan Fisher who signed for Coventry first ride for Peterborough if theres a clash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) LOL. So you think it s fair that a rider rides for his PL teams when he has a clash with his NL team? And another rider rides for his PL team when he has a clash with his EL team? The PL clubs wants to have their cake and eat it (stupid saying!). Either riders double up or down but NO, they ride for their Pl team and then EL and NL teams can borrow them? Even fi the rider belongs to the EL or the NL club. Sounds liek the Pl are just being put in their place. There still a Pl bias though. Why should Coventry asset Ryan Fisher who signed for Coventry first ride for Peterborough if theres a clash? Have you noticed SCB - that BOTH the Elite League (so called) and the National League seem to rely on the Premier League for Riders? Seems to me that the PREMIER League is named correctly after all. It also seems to me that if the Premier League Promoters told the Elite League and the National League to sod off - BOTH of those Leagues would be finished. So I don't know about the Premier League being put in it's place. I would say it is in a pretty good place already. Edited January 19, 2014 by The White Knight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Have you noticed SCB - that BOTH the Elite League (so called) and the National League seem to rely on the Premier League for Riders? Seems to me that the PREMIER League is named correctly after all. It also seems to me that if the Premier League Promoters told the Elite League and the National League to sod off - BOTH of those Leagues would be finished. So I don't know about the Premier League being put in it's place. I would say it is in a pretty good place already. You're kidding right? So because the PL somehow get priority over riders its them that have it right? Can you tell me a single rider who is riding in the NL that started in the PL? Because AFAIK there isn't one, they all started in the NL so its the PL milking off them for a start. Why should Ryan Fisher whos British career started at Coventry, a rider who is owned by Coventry, a rider who is riding for Coventry in 2014, a rider who has spent more of his career at Coventry than any other club be allowed to ride for Peterborough when there is a clash? With the NL fast tracking, the PL wants to be careful, in a year or two thee might be no need for the PL as riders go from NL to EL. Then what? So good luck to the PL with it's telling the EL and the NL that it's their riders. Because I wonder just how many would chose the PL alone over the EL and NL! Lets look at the rider riding EL and PL this year and who they're owned by. Craig Cook (PL) Steve Worrall (PL) Richie Worrall (EL) Adam Ellis (EL) Lewis Kerr (EL) Lewis Rose (EL) Ryan Fisher (EL) Ben Barker (EL) Kyle Newman (EL) Richie Lawson (EL) Edward Kennett (EL) Jason Garrity (PL) Simon Lambert (EL) Jason Doyle (EL) Paul Starke (PL) Josh Grajczonek (EL) Ricky Wells (EL) Kyle Howarth (PL) Ashley Morris (EL) I make that 5 PL assets and 14 EL assets. So who needs who again? Edited January 19, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) You're kidding right? So because the PL somehow get priority over riders its them that have it right? Can you tell me a single rider who is riding in the NL that started in the PL? Because AFAIK there isn't one, they all started in the NL so its the PL milking off them for a start. Why should Ryan Fisher whos British career started at Coventry, a rider who is owned by Coventry, a rider who is riding for Coventry in 2014, a rider who has spent more of his career at Coventry than any other club be allowed to ride for Peterborough when there is a clash? With the NL fast tracking, the PL wants to be careful, in a year or two thee might be no need for the PL as riders go from NL to EL. Then what? So good luck to the PL with it's telling the EL and the NL that it's their riders. Because I wonder just how many would chose the PL alone over the EL and NL! Lets look at the rider riding EL and PL this year and who they're owned by. Craig Cook (PL) Steve Worrall (PL) Richie Worrall (EL) Adam Ellis (EL) Lewis Kerr (EL) Lewis Rose (EL) Ryan Fisher (EL) Ben Barker (EL) Kyle Newman (EL) Richie Lawson (EL) Edward Kennett (EL) Jason Garrity (PL) Simon Lambert (EL) Jason Doyle (EL) Paul Starke (PL) Josh Grajczonek (EL) Ricky Wells (EL) Kyle Howarth (PL) Ashley Morris (EL) I make that 5 PL assets and 14 EL assets. So who needs who again? You can have your 14 Assets as far as I am concerned - the Premier League would still survive OK without them - the 14 Riders might find it hard Financially though. The Elite League would STILL struggle without Premier League Riders to prop up your Teams. Put simply, THAT is why you shouldn't be called the Elite League - because you are NOT Elite. Edited January 19, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 You can have your 14 Assets as far as I am concerned - the Premier League would still survive OK without them - the 14 Riders might find it hard Financially though. The Elite League would STILL struggle without Premier League Riders to prop up your Teams. Put simply, THAT is why you shouldn't be called the Elite League - because you are NOT Elite. So the EL is taking advantage. But it's the EL riders. And the PL doesnt need them? The Premier League has never been Premier TBF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) I asked my girlfriend whether she would like to go to Premier League speedway or Elite League speedway. He said Premier League.. "Premier League" is the brand baby... Elite League is ice-hockey / lower class level. * We made out shortly after. Edited January 19, 2014 by Hougaard Racing Fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 "I asked my girlfriend: He said: * We made out shortly after." All rather worrying really, you should PM FP he'll offer counselling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 You're kidding right? So because the PL somehow get priority over riders its them that have it right? Can you tell me a single rider who is riding in the NL that started in the PL? Because AFAIK there isn't one, they all started in the NL so its the PL milking off them for a start. Why should Ryan Fisher whos British career started at Coventry, a rider who is owned by Coventry, a rider who is riding for Coventry in 2014, a rider who has spent more of his career at Coventry than any other club be allowed to ride for Peterborough when there is a clash? With the NL fast tracking, the PL wants to be careful, in a year or two thee might be no need for the PL as riders go from NL to EL. Then what? So good luck to the PL with it's telling the EL and the NL that it's their riders. Because I wonder just how many would chose the PL alone over the EL and NL! Lets look at the rider riding EL and PL this year and who they're owned by. Craig Cook (PL) Steve Worrall (PL) Richie Worrall (EL) Adam Ellis (EL) Lewis Kerr (EL) Lewis Rose (EL) Ryan Fisher (EL) Ben Barker (EL) Kyle Newman (EL) Richie Lawson (EL) Edward Kennett (EL) Jason Garrity (PL) Simon Lambert (EL) Jason Doyle (EL) Paul Starke (PL) Josh Grajczonek (EL) Ricky Wells (EL) Kyle Howarth (PL) Ashley Morris (EL) I make that 5 PL assets and 14 EL assets. So who needs who again? Whilst I agree with the new changes givubg priority to clubs using their own assets I would temper you arguement re the split of assets. The EL have had a distinct advantage in gathering assets in that they can sign and claim a rider without him turning out for them. A few on your list fit that category and you could say that without the other leagues that there would be no way these would ever develop to a point where they are usable. In summary Id say that there has to be at least 2 tiers and they need to work in unison to ensure a clear opportunity of progression. FWIW despite my team being adversely affected (Ipswich -Worrall/Ellis) I think the changes are the fairest solution to a difficult problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 The final rider will be announced Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 "I asked my girlfriend: He said: * We made out shortly after." All rather worrying really, you should PM FP he'll offer counselling Think its a lost cause mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 As you haven't answered my question reference who has priority with the Elite League reserves Neil, is it because you don't know ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranktonBee Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I can't help popping on here to see how our second team are getting on occasionally (OK, that was a joke. Chill ). Aaaand, the one thing that really worries me is that you keep rising to KKSs bait! Must do better people.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I can't help popping on here to see how our second team are getting on occasionally (OK, that was a joke. Chill ). Aaaand, the one thing that really worries me is that you keep rising to KKSs bait! Must do better people.... Rather heartless to advocate ignoring special needs. We look after our own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 As you haven't answered my question reference who has priority with the Elite League reserves Neil, is it because you don't know ? I believe that the Premier League has priority unless the rider is an asset of the Elite League club he rides for. So when we ride against Ipswich on Good Friday, Jacobs and Blackbird should be riding in both matches for the Panthers but Ellis will ride for Lakeside. But I could have it all wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Have you noticed SCB - that BOTH the Elite League (so called) and the National League seem to rely on the Premier League for Riders? Seems to me that the PREMIER League is named correctly after all. It also seems to me that if the Premier League Promoters told the Elite League and the National League to sod off - BOTH of those Leagues would be finished. So I don't know about the Premier League being put in it's place. I would say it is in a pretty good place already. The PL relies on the EL riders AND the NL riders too. If none of them co-operated there wouldn't be any viable league. If there was one league it would still feature the best riders so EL is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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