therefused Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 you wont be bottom, but i doubt youll be higher than 7th. i highly doubt proctor will even hit a 7 average this year also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 you wont be bottom, but i doubt youll be higher than 7th. i highly doubt proctor will even hit a 7 average this year also. Lot of doubts. But all still possible thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 While all of the Poole propaganda on here is amusing, anyone with a pair of eyes and a bit of common sense can see how EL speedway works. The playing field has been uneven for some time and any integrity the competition had has long since been eroded away. The way I see it we have three choices.....walk away, moan like hell and get nowhere or just enjoy our speedway for what it is and don't take it all too seriously. And if one of our teams manages to win the league rather than the club who is supposed to each year then its an even better and sweeter achievement. Matt Ford has only ever been good for Poole. He has shown this by allowing his team to throw meetings, overpay riders on low averages and by starting a war over a rider that has now signed for his team. Ever since Poole started to chop & change their team every year, most teams just cant compete and we have teams going broke (brum/Swindon). Or going through the motions, with poor crowds. I guess you could say that that is sport but then theres his cancelling of a meeting due to not getting his own way,whilst others are given fines; tapping up riders and then not buying them and signing riders just to spite another team. All of this has wained my interest in the sport. Lest we forget the firework debacle. I still love speedway, but im not so involved. Unfortunately this has resulted in me missing about 5 meetings a season and no away meetings not good for promoters. Not good for speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Matt Ford has only ever been good for Poole. He has shown this by allowing his team to throw meetings, overpay riders on low averages and by starting a war over a rider that has now signed for his team. Ever since Poole started to chop & change their team every year, most teams just cant compete and we have teams going broke (brum/Swindon). Or going through the motions, with poor crowds. I guess you could say that that is sport but then theres his cancelling of a meeting due to not getting his own way,whilst others are given fines; tapping up riders and then not buying them and signing riders just to spite another team. All of this has wained my interest in the sport. Lest we forget the firework debacle. I still love speedway, but im not so involved. Unfortunately this has resulted in me missing about 5 meetings a season and no away meetings not good for promoters. Not good for speedway. Worst of all, his mates in the Bspa, just let their blue-eyed boy get away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Better than most 3rd heat leaders yes. Disagree if you want, ignore his form of 8.76 from last year if you want. Of course we will be bottom as so many are saying so, we all know how many got that right last season as well !! I do disagree Proctors 8.76 is not a true reflection as he only did a handful of meetings and that figure is with bonus points which are not used in official averages list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I do disagree Proctors 8.76 is not a true reflection as he only did a handful of meetings and that figure is with bonus points which are not used in official averages list There's the added issue that third heat leader is likely to be the toughest position this year if the TOP SECRET Heat Format is as suggested. In a perverse way I suspect third heat leaders to have a major influence on who win's the league, when it the same time their averages are comparatively low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I do disagree Proctors 8.76 is not a true reflection as he only did a handful of meetings and that figure is with bonus points which are not used in official averages list 6.92 without, virtually the same as `true` heat leader Maciej. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 6.92 without, virtually the same as `true` heat leader Maciej. But one was over a season, the other over a few meetings. Proctor is a decent second string and will never be more than that. The two riders are incomparable, though I for one don't think Janowski will be a top GP rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 But one was over a season, the other over a few meetings. Proctor is a decent second string and will never be more than that. The two riders are incomparable, though I for one don't think Janowski will be a top GP rider I remember some saying Tai was a good rider but will never be World Champion. It don't stop people posting stuff like its a fact, thank god it isn't. Time will tell if Proctor continues like he did last season. Plus in view the amount of comments on thread that think Proctor will be the most improved rider this year you would think that some posters would take notice of others saying the same thing. Perhaps in some Worlds they only read what suits them. Shame we don't see any of the so called `GP standard` form in the EL. He certainly is one of the next big things in Poland, no dispute. What Proctor may or may not do is very speculative, not assumptive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 What "so called GP standard? I said I thought Janowski would not be a top GP rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 To be fair shovlar did say he wouldn't be top gp rider. Magic at the moment is to inconsistent around the world. Fine in Poland not so good in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I remember some saying Tai was a good rider but will never be World Champion. It don't stop people posting stuff like its a fact, thank god it isn't. Time will tell if Proctor continues like he did last season. Plus in view the amount of comments on thread that think Proctor will be the most improved rider this year you would think that some posters would take notice of others saying the same thing. Perhaps in some Worlds they only read what suits them. Shame we don't see any of the so called `GP standard` form in the EL. He certainly is one of the next big things in Poland, no dispute. What Proctor may or may not do is very speculative, not assumptive. I don't remember anyone from Poole claiming Magic was the next gp star, he was a good signing for us as he improved his average by nearly a point and didn't go missing in the play offs. Proctor will improve his average and will be a vital cog in the Wolves team, as for Tai his improvement was amazing but i do know someone who had a small bet on him winning the title not everyone was surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 As I said, once teams are almost complete I'll make another prediction. Top 4: Kings Lynn Coventry Poole Belle Vue Middle: Wolves Lakeside Eastbourne Bottom: Leicester Swindon Birmingham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) My prediction now teams are complete and looking at rider availability 1. King's Lynn 2. Poole 3. Belle Vue 4. Eastbourne (due to lot of teams being depleted when visiting looking at fixtures/dodgy grading) 5. Coventry 6. Swindon 7. Lakeside 8. Wolverhampton 9. Leicester 10.Birmingham (very weak) Edited January 24, 2014 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 My prediction now teams are complete and looking at rider availability 1. King's Lynn 2. Poole 3. Belle Vue 4. Eastbourne (due to lot of teams being depleted when visiting looking at fixtures/dodgy grading) 5. Coventry 6. Swindon 7. Lakeside 8. Wolverhampton 9. Leicester 10.Birmingham (very weak) Teams aren't complete. Birmingham still have a rider to announce - so do Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Teams aren't complete. Birmingham still have a rider to announce - so do Leicester. yes but birmingham have main body of team with only a 5pt rider left to sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 yes but birmingham have main body of team with only a 5pt rider left to sign So that final position doesnt count?? You never know, they might pull Andreas Jonsson out the bag re-assessed on a 5 - just saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 So that final position doesnt count?? You never know, they might pull Andreas Jonsson out the bag re-assessed on a 5 - just saying! one rider still wouldn't make a team, think riders already signed are not as strong as other line ups. x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packerman Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Half the Poole team not to ride at Eastie, Lakeside, Belle Vue & Leicester 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Better than most 3rd heat leaders yes. Disagree if you want, ignore his form of 8.76 from last year if you want. Of course we will be bottom as so many are saying so, we all know how many got that right last season as well !! Tbh, if format is as expected, I could see him averaging around 5 as a third heat leader, and around eight if he drops to a second string. He's likely to be spend more time as a heat leader, so could see him averaging around 6 this year. I actually think wolves have a decent team, top six but maybe not top 4. Like most id say kl, poole, bv and coventry look the strongest play off candidates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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