hyderd Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 He also thinks Cook is as good as Shamek! One a reserve /second string in the UK placed in a heat leader role, the other a Polish top league heat leader! However, Pawlicki has yet to be named in the Poole team. Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The EL is too difficult to predict next year, I can see it being close from top to bottom. I predict a riot!! If that turns out to be true woz01 then perhaps we should be applauding the powers that be rather than knocking them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I predict a riot!! If that turns out to be true woz01 then perhaps we should be applauding the powers that be rather than knocking them!! Thats what we all want a good competitive league, looking at the teams I think they have stumbled onto a system which should ensure close meetings more often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 It's the same old with the polish lads. Brilliant in Poland , the gp's even the World Cup but they are not so good over here as it means less. Cook would not ba able to do what Magic did in the World Cup yet in our elite league they will average similar. L Ok at Mjj only the odd good meeting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Cook's average is inflated, He missed plenty of away matches last year and rode plenty at kirky lane. I'll let Leszno know tomorrow morning that they should release Pawlicki and sign Craig Cook. Cookie missed 5 away EL Matches last season out of 14 hardly plenty, but hey you keep bumming up your Danish riders and don't let it worry your little head that some British riders are doing their level best to succeed in the BRITISH ELITE LEAGUE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Thats what we all want a good competitive league, looking at the teams I think they have stumbled onto a system which should ensure close meetings more often. In my opinion this is why they keep getting it wrong. A close score or competitive league does not mean an entertaining meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 In my opinion this is why they keep getting it wrong. A close score or competitive league does not mean an entertaining meeting. Surely the entertainment can be a tight meeting too, not knowing which way the result could go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Cook and Pawlicki? Apart from being speedway riders the two of them are chalk and cheese. One has, in my opinion, limited natural ability but the attitude that even Crump could have learnt from. Compared to other riders with similar experience he is so far ahead it is frightening. Look at Auty, he has been riding twice as long and has more natural ability yet is light years behind. The other is some sort of wonder boy who like all of his fellow compatriots will never quite fulfil his potential unless they organise the world around him like they did for Gollob. If Cook can instil some of his ultra professionalism into Worrall, or any other British rider (come on Auty get your act together) we will be laughing. What a great point Cook who I like very much hope he does well and he will .Cog you are the only one recently on this forum who says Auty has ability.I watched quite alot of him gives everything is exciting to watch is a poor gater but for excitement brilliant.Ask the Scunny fans when he is on he can be very good gutted he hasn't a EL spot but he could have a good year he will be Scuunies no 1 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) Surely the entertainment can be a tight meeting too, not knowing which way the result could go.Most people's gripe about speedway is the lack of actual racing, especially when trying to draw new faces or keeping those floating voters to attends. Whether the scores are 45-45 or 75-15 is irrelevant. The racing in both could still be either way, very good or very poor. The real problem speedway has its that the real top riders don't want wheel to wheel racing. It's all to risky for them. In the GP's they class a good race as being 3 bike lengths ahead. Polish speedway use to be entertaining but forget the name, the racing is still the same as over here, the young and up and coming want to impress with ability in racing, while the already established riders want it easy. 9x out of 10, the best racing is by those that are fighting at the back, the general none speedway fans opinion of the sport is right. First out the gate wins, and that's how the riders like it. Edited December 24, 2013 by screamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Most people's gripe about speedway is the lack of actual racing, especially when trying to draw new faces or keeping those floating voters to attends. Whether the scores are 45-45 or 75-15 is irrelevant. The racing in both could still be either way, very good or very poor. The real problem speedway has its that the real top riders don't want wheel to wheel racing. It's all to risky for them. In the GP's they class a good race as being 3 bike lengths ahead. Polish speedway use to be entertaining but forget the name, the racing is still the same as over here, the young and up and coming want to impress with ability in racing, while the already established riders want it easy. 9x out of 10, the best racing is by those that are fighting at the back, the general none speedway fans opinion of the sport is right. First out the gate wins, and that's how the riders like it. That's my point. I've been to many meetings where the scores were close but all very processional. Look at last years EL, how close was the run in to the play offs - yet the racing wasn't entertaining. Understand we won't get great action in every heat. From my understanding 5 out of 15 heats that get the adrenalin pumping will send most punters home happy. This is where they need to focus, not a 'joker' winning from the gate to make the scores closer. Team balance and perfect track preperation will do to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 That's my point. I've been to many meetings where the scores were close but all very processional. Look at last years EL, how close was the run in to the play offs - yet the racing wasn't entertaining. Understand we won't get great action in every heat. From my understanding 5 out of 15 heats that get the adrenalin pumping will send most punters home happy. This is where they need to focus, not a 'joker' winning from the gate to make the scores closer. Team balance and perfect track preperation will do to start. Depends where you are watching your Speedway. Because Wolves prepare a good track season after season we usually see good racing at the front AND back. I agree that track preparation is the key to good racing - irrespective of what league it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I think a lot of people are discarding Coventry. If it's true with the race format featuring 2 reserve races. Against bar perhaps Lynn, Coventry at home will have two very strong reserves so thats potentially 10-2 already without even thinking of the top 5. I think Kings Lynn and Coventry are the ones to beat, with Poole and Wolves (who will see a big improvement again in Thorssell IMO) joining them in the top 4. 1. Kings Lynn 2. Poole 3. Coventry 4. Wolves 5. Belle Vue 6. Leicester 7. Eastbourne 8. Swindon 9. Birmingham 10. Lakeside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 It's a mistake ever having Lakeside bottom of the league. That just isn't going to happen with trick track advantage. I'd go as far as a dialled in NL team would beat a mid table or lower EL side. But then, I'm a bit blinkered to that place. I absolutely detest it. I couldn't watch my speedway there week in week out. It isn't speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Went to Lakeside for the first time last year, & will never go back unless Panthers race them in the play offs. As we are now in a different league, that looks unlikely. Terrible track, & no overtaking at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Depends where you are watching your Speedway. Because Wolves prepare a good track season after season we usually see good racing at the front AND back.I agree that track preparation is the key to good racing - irrespective of what league it is. Brought up at EOES so big track specialist. I find it harder to enjoy the smaller tracks - guess it depends what you grew up with. Agree Wolves does provide decent racing and is usually well prepared. Track preperation is critical but if the gulf in rider ability is too big, great racing is bound to be limited. Poole are always striving to improve their team, at considerable cost one assumes. Fair play (maybe a tad contentious with some) to them but why couldn't they prepare a track last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 In my opinion this is why they keep getting it wrong. A close score or competitive league does not mean an entertaining meeting. And we've heard the same thing each winter over the last couple of seasons but here we are with the latest cost cutting weakened product experiment - same time next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 And we've heard the same thing each winter over the last couple of seasons but here we are with the latest cost cutting weakened product experiment - same time next year! Understand the need to reduce costs but I predict the weakened product will nullify any savings due to less paying customers. I'd prefer a higher team average, maybe 6 rider teams to save a bit. If there are not enough takers that could take the financial risk then 'same time next year' = one league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Good to see the brummies been write off again I'm predicting another top 4 finish Poole Kings lynn Birmingham Coventry Gonna be a long season injures will hopefully not play a part but as we all know will be crucial I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Most people's gripe about speedway is the lack of actual racing, especially when trying to draw new faces or keeping those floating voters to attends. Whether the scores are 45-45 or 75-15 is irrelevant. The racing in both could still be either way, very good or very poor. The real problem speedway has its that the real top riders don't want wheel to wheel racing. It's all to risky for them. In the GP's they class a good race as being 3 bike lengths ahead. Polish speedway use to be entertaining but forget the name, the racing is still the same as over here, the young and up and coming want to impress with ability in racing, while the already established riders want it easy. 9x out of 10, the best racing is by those that are fighting at the back, the general none speedway fans opinion of the sport is right. First out the gate wins, and that's how the riders like it. I agree decent racing is the priority but my point was a close meeting brings anticipation and interest, a last heat decider can be thrilling despite it being gate and go. I think the way teams are panning out closer meeting will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 If you have a team full of gaters then as a Promotor you ain't going to prepare a grippy track with loads of shale on it, that would be madness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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