manchesterpaul Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Line up for this year's meeting: Darcy Ward - Australia Greg Hancock - USA Scott Nicholls - United Kingdom Gino Manzares - USA Billy Hamill - USA Chris Harris - United Kingdom Max Ruml - USA Edward Kennett - United Kingdom Maciej Janowski - Poland Hans Andersen - Denmark Charlie Venegas - USA Patryk Dudek - Polish Ryan Fisher - USA Ricky Wells - USA Tyson Burmeister - USA Billy Janniro - USA Whilst i appreciate the relatively large amount of publicity this meeting garnered for the sport i'm in two minds whether it is good or....wait for this....bad for the sport! Totally personal opinion and i'm sure lots will strongly disagree but i view it as 'toy' or mini speedway. In my eyes it's akin to the differences between a proper/real football match and a five-a-side game or American Football and Arena Football (mini version of that game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I would say you have never seen live American Speedway if you have this view. The tracks are smaller yes but it takes immense skill to ride such and maybe the Euro's will learn something new! The close racing can be quite mind blowing! A speedway race that brings world stars to the USA, a place of current speedway growth and a potential GP location (not at this track of course) can only do the sport good! Also don't forget USA is currently ranked two places above GB in the world standings so maybe the three riders from across the pond might get ready for SWC '14 at Lynn! Edited December 12, 2013 by SteveEvans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelcroucher Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 good line up. Should be a cracker. Wish i could be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I would say you have never seen live American Speedway if you have this view. The tracks are smaller yes but it takes immense skill to ride such and maybe the Euro's will learn something new! The close racing can be quite mind blowing! A speedway race that brings world stars to the USA, a place of current speedway growth and a potential GP location (not at this track of course) can only do the sport good! Also don't forget USA is currently ranked two places above GB in the world standings so maybe the three riders from across the pond might get ready for SWC '14 at Lynn! First of all let me be clear i wish American speedway every success in the world and great credit to those who have kept it going in the minuscule little pockets on the continent. I always avidly look for mention of good crowds in meeting reports and when viewing You Tube clips. I'm well chuffed if i see or hear of close racing taking place and hope that those present spread the word to others about the entertainment on offer. I do have to take you to task on a couple of points. As bad as GB are the mention of USA being ranked above GB is comical and just down to a SWC meeting result. Also take away Greg Hancock (nobody rides forever) and what would the USA have scored? Such calculation is similar to one of the meetings in the US this season where the hosts beat a Rest of the World side - did you see the line-up for the Rest of the World team ? lol. On the basis of that result are you are claiming the US riders are the best in the world? I take in your comments on throttle control but if these riders are 'immensely skilled', and even allowing for them being youngsters, why have the US touring team raced against National League (amateur/learner) tracks over here? Why does a US touring team not race against top Polish, Swedish and UK clubs with their immense skills? Top riders in the world can earn very good money so why are the immensely skilled American riders not at the top of the averages in the sports top leagues? It's not down to lack of money because as i say top riders can earn a good living from the sport. As for close racing i've seen many, many clips of these tiny tracks where despite the bikes barely fitting on the circuit a BIG gap can frequently be opened up by the leader and also the leading two. Often it's clear there is no way for a trailing rider to make a pass let alone shoulder to shoulder three or four rider battles. When you do see all four bunched up it's as if they are racing in slow motion and often they are only so close because the track is sooooooo small. They can't help but be next to each other! Going back to immense skills i'm sure you'll agree it's harder to operate or do something at speed, can i please ask you three questions what speed do the riders reach going around the corners (or seems like one big circle at times on the US tracks) and what speed do they reach on the straights? How do these speeds compare to what is considered as normal speedway? I certainly remember more than one US rider in the past saying the speed of standard tracks the world over took them by surprise. I stress again i am on your side regards hoping for success for the present and future of American speedway and sincerely hope that those who came to the first Monster invitational last year will come back for more. Indeed i understand that they are adding extra seating for this year's event which is fantastic news. Believe me i've spent many an hour Googling and searching You Tube for clips of American speedway and have been absolutely delighted whenever i see a good crowd in attendance, also one thing for sure Americans know how to put on a show and they truly embarrass UK speedway promotions in that respect. Edited December 12, 2013 by manchesterpaul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I do have to take you to task on a couple of points. As bad as GB are the mention of USA being ranked above GB is comical and just down to a SWC meeting result. Also take away Greg Hancock (nobody rides forever) and what would the USA have scored? In fairness, Paul, if you take away Woffinden from the GB side we aren't world class either. Of course they aren't stronger than us as a whole, but you've got to hand it to the USA, they beat us in the World Cup format fair and square. JT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I see your points Paul. Firstly, I can say without any question no country works harder at the SWC than USA. Billy H and I work this all year round, we have to because we barely have enough guys in Europe for a full team. The fact that we finished above GB in Prague was based on the fact we simply wanted it more and were more of a unit than any team in the pits that day. Yes, 5th in the world may flatter the real situation of where we are at but as much as you can say USA relied on Greg, why did he do better than Tai and Bomber? The guy was utterly inspired with being on the team and the vision. And Fisher too rode above himself. As far as the Touring Team, we race at NL because the domestic American scene right now probably sits somewhere in between NL and PL. You see the top riders on a tour - first time over they struggle to begin but by the end look better than most NL riders on show. You need to understand that American Speedway almost died out. When I moved to the USA it was just 1 track down South versus 5 in the old day and there was NO junior program - youngest rider back in 1998 was 25. Now there are more tracks and a flourishing youth speedway program but its still in a rebuilding phase. But if you compare present time to five years ago, it is way better and its only headed one way. On the flip side GB is slowly declining and one thing I believe contributes is that some very talented young riders don't go beyond the comfort zone of doubling up and venture to Europe. Also the small tracks in the states often provide more passing in one night than a year or two at some British venues! Handicap racing, that culminates in an 8 rider, 8 lap final, has more than once seen a Hamill or Janniro pick off 7 riders and get the win - its quite a spectacle. US Speedway on smaller tracks should be acknowledged as different but also appreciated for the magic it is. And if you go back to the 80s the close racing got a generation of the best and most thrilling riders I have ever known over to England. There is much work to do for USA to continue to rebuild, but we unashamedly target winning another World Cup, though we appreciate its somewhere down the line. Glad the invitational is getting some talk on here - the organizers work very hard on this and its a fantastic spectacle and event! Edited December 12, 2013 by SteveEvans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Just a quick diversion here Steve but what are your thoughts on a possible promotional boost for the sport in the US by getting Travis Pastrana to have a go at speedway and possibly leading to a pre-meeting exhibition race? As you know yourself he is an absolute legend in the USA (and around the world) and closely followed by the media in all that he does. He states on his website that his passion is competition and he always needs a challenge. He's tried and been proficient or successful in several motor sports both two and four wheeled. He's so eager to race that whilst waiting for rehabilitation from surgery to allow him to race bikes again he went into Nascar. I'm guessing that he doesn't even know speedway exists? Surely he would be greatly intrigued to be fed the phrase "no brakes, no gears, no fear". That must grab his attention? Is there no promotion in the US who would be able to afford his fee for an exhibition attempt? although surely he could be tempted to try the sport for free??? Mind you we'll have to strongly agree to differ on one thing, which is absolutely fine, but ouch so, so sorry i've got to say this....i reckon it would be a travesty for him to try the sport, or be a guest and view it, if it's the Monster Invitational circuit or one of the tiny tracks. You simply don't get the speed and power on them, the riders when together on some of these circuits appear to be about to come to a stop when approaching and going around a bend together. I simply don't consider he would get a taste of true speedway with motors roaring and flat out speeds. He'd need to experience the bigger tracks to satisfy him as he's used to racing at around 200mph in Nascar. If i thought he would get to read it i'd send him a communication with a link to the epic Chris Harris race with Greg Hancock when the former won the Cardiff GP. He'd see a fantastic speedway race, a very large crowd in a top class stadium and sense a taste of the marvellous atmosphere. How could he not be tempted especially with the no brakes aspect and the acceleration from a standing start of a speedway bike apparently being faster than a F1 car. Edited December 12, 2013 by manchesterpaul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 It's a great concept Paul and would be good publicity for the sport. Let me add it to the task list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstaxi Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Anyone know if there's going to be a live feed of the meeting as was the case last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Anyone know if there's going to be a live feed of the meeting as was the case last year I wasn't aware there was a live feed last year that would be great news indeed if it should transpire to be the case this year. Was it an official stream on the organizers website? If one has to Google around for feeds on the day the event is staged at the Grand Arena, in the City of Industry with races slated to start at 7pm PST, 10pm EST, 3am (Sunday) GMT/UTC. Haven't a clue what the costs involved are as in negligible or hard to make it pay but a pay-per-view stream could bring some money in as there are many speedway starved fans across the world come this time of the year. I'd willingly pay a small charge to view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) Just a quick diversion here Steve but what are your thoughts on a possible promotional boost for the sport in the US by getting Travis Pastrana to have a go at speedway and possibly leading to a pre-meeting exhibition race? As you know yourself he is an absolute legend in the USA (and around the world) and closely followed by the media in all that he does. He states on his website that his passion is competition and he always needs a challenge. He's tried and been proficient or successful in several motor sports both two and four wheeled. He's so eager to race that whilst waiting for rehabilitation from surgery to allow him to race bikes again he went into Nascar. I'm guessing that he doesn't even know speedway exists? Surely he would be greatly intrigued to be fed the phrase "no brakes, no gears, no fear". That must grab his attention? Is there no promotion in the US who would be able to afford his fee for an exhibition attempt? although surely he could be tempted to try the sport for free??? Mind you we'll have to strongly agree to differ on one thing, which is absolutely fine, but ouch so, so sorry i've got to say this....i reckon it would be a travesty for him to try the sport, or be a guest and view it, if it's the Monster Invitational circuit or one of the tiny tracks. You simply don't get the speed and power on them, the riders when together on some of these circuits appear to be about to come to a stop when approaching and going around a bend together. I simply don't consider he would get a taste of true speedway with motors roaring and flat out speeds. He'd need to experience the bigger tracks to satisfy him as he's used to racing at around 200mph in Nascar. If i thought he would get to read it i'd send him a communication with a link to the epic Chris Harris race with Greg Hancock when the former won the Cardiff GP. He'd see a fantastic speedway race, a very large crowd in a top class stadium and sense a taste of the marvellous atmosphere. How could he not be tempted especially with the no brakes aspect and the acceleration from a standing start of a speedway bike apparently being faster than a F1 car. I if a video existed from the 1st bend stood inline with the whiteline along the home straight at Peterborough,a mighty fine view you think. the riders are gonna go straight through tbe fence. Edited December 16, 2013 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think the promoters plan pay per view for those overseas. www.industryracing.com is their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think the promoters plan pay per view for those overseas. www.industryracing.com is their website. Duhhhhh! how on earth did i miss seeing the 'watch live' tab when i was on the site the other week lol. For those starved of speedway action there is currently available FREE a very high quality three hour video of the 2013 Californian Championships. The sound quality is very good from the little bit i just glanced at and not suffering from the usual mixing pitfalls that you can get on the internet. There is no mention at the moment of live coverage of the Monster Invitational however seeing as they use 'Livestream' it does look likely it will be available. I'll fire off an email later as i'll certainly be interested in watching the meeting with such quality of picture and sound. As a long time avid viewer of NFL, NHL, Nascar and MMA the 3am start time is easy peasy for me lol. Starting to really look forward to the meeting now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I believe the promoter posted on FB it will be available on PPV for overseas fans. So get ready! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Would of been good to see Aaron taking on some of the worlds best but giving himsef that extra time to get fitter before getting back on the bike is the right thing to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelcroucher Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 could someone pint me in the direction of watching the For those starved of speedway action there is currently available FREE a very high quality three hour video of the 2013 Californian Championships. I have google it but cant seem to find anything. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I think the promoters plan pay per view for those overseas. www.industryracing.com is their website. Duhhhhh! how on earth did i miss seeing the 'watch live' tab when i was on the site the other week lol. For those starved of speedway action there is currently available FREE a very high quality three hour video of the 2013 Californian Championships. The sound quality is very good from the little bit i just glanced at and not suffering from the usual mixing pitfalls that you can get on the internet. could someone pint me in the direction of watching the For those starved of speedway action there is currently available FREE a very high quality three hour video of the 2013 Californian Championships. I have google it but cant seem to find anything. Many thanks The earlier entries gave enough 'clues' as in naming the website and the video tabs However direct link to the page http://www.industryracing.com/live.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelcroucher Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Many thanks, I thought that the website was for the live race not a video. Now i have looked at it i can see thats it the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The official site is gathering some good content daily now including a free downloadable racecard for the meeting. The rider draw 1- Tyson Burmeister USA 2- Ryan Fisher USA 3 - Edward Kennett GBR 4 - Ricky Wells USA 5 - Gino Manzares USA 6 - Max Ruml USA 7 - Scott Nicholls GBR 8 - Chris Harris GBR 9 - Billy Hamill USA 10 - Darcy Ward AUS 11 - Charlie Venegas USA 12 - Patryk Dudek POL 13 - Hans Andersen DEN 14 - Maciej Janowski POL 15 - Greg Hancock USA 16 - Billy Janniro USA *17 - Jason Ramirez USA *18 - Austin Novratil USA * Reserve ALL THE LATEST NEWS (also extra video clips added) http://www.industryracing.com/news.html OFFICIAL RACECARD (and nooooo it's not a 'Minimax' one, i'm on holiday it's my off-season lol lol) http://gallery.mailchimp.com/0adc65b981705e2831101f578/files/ScoresheetOfficial.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Can be watched online here 3am Sunday morning. Looks to be free too. http://new.livestream.com/accounts/5201468/events/2647360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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