Save Isle Of Wight

[Tsunami]

This sums up your crap argument; a better fence but forced to change............. Stupid argument; stupid rule, if a change cannot be demonstrated to improve safety then it shouldn't happen.

 

Not in all situations.

Yours is the stupid argument based on your unsupported position. In one breath someone uses the term "better fence", when referring to the Wolves mesh fence, but you don't ask for validation to THAT suggestion/opinion. Mention an air fence, and you become all official and wanting to see all the independent validation results data. One rule for your opinion, but not the same validation for others.

 

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Edited December 17, 2013 by Tsunami

[Elephantman]

Yours is the stupid argument based on your unsupported position. In one breath someone uses the term "better fence", when referring to the Wolves mesh fence, but you don't ask for validation to THAT suggestion/opinion. Mention an air fence, and you become all official and wanting to see all the independent validation results data. One rule for your opinion, but not the same validation for others.

 

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You and The Doctor are really not with the game are you. If you are going to change something you must prove that the replacement is going to be better than that which is already there. You cannot say that air fences will be better for every track because you do not have the evidence. Whereas with the fence technology that has been in place for many years there is clear empirical evidence of its efficacy. So to spell it out for you if it ain't broke don't fix it!

[Tsunami]

You and The Doctor are really not with the game are you. If you are going to change something you must prove that the replacement is going to be better than that which is already there. You cannot say that air fences will be better for every track because you do not have the evidence. Whereas with the fence technology that has been in place for many years there is clear empirical evidence of its efficacy. So to spell it out for you if it ain't broke don't fix it!

As we have been having accidents/deaths/injuries since the sport started, can you show me the independent evidence that the materials used/construction was safe.

Please provide the clear empirical evidence of their efficiency. Please include Exeter in your data. Please quote actual deaths directly apportioned to the use of the previous fences.

BTW i'm in all night.

 

Oxford Dicca

 

empirical - relying on observation or experiment, not on theory

 

 

 

gustix put your bit on the subject, seeing you have such an interest in following this subject.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Tsunami

[MrMungo]

Got that data yet, I'll be going to bed with the wife in about an hour. Look forward to receiving it.

That really is far too much information for a family forum like this

[Tsunami]

That really is far too much information for a family forum like this

Thought Elephantman might jump to conclusions, and think it was a friend.

[The Doctor...]

You and The Doctor are really not with the game are you. If you are going to change something you must prove that the replacement is going to be better than that which is already there. You cannot say that air fences will be better for every track because you do not have the evidence. Whereas with the fence technology that has been in place for many years there is clear empirical evidence of its efficacy. So to spell it out for you if it ain't broke don't fix it!

 

Dont lump me in on this little crusade of yours.

 

I'm happy to let the people who actually are involved in the sport on a day to day basis make the calls on safety, as ultimately it's them who will fall on their sword if anything went wrong and the hse or other agencies became involved in the case of a serious accident or death. I don't see the riders gnashing their teeth about it either..

 

How many years have they been used now ? Donkeys..

How many lives have been lost as a result of an air fence ? Hmm..well as a moron recently said to me on this forum "The air fence debacle is going to cost a life"...so i'm guessing there hasnt been any then ?

 

You will NEVER ever get the answers about research or data from this forum - why not drop the scb a christmas card, and ask them ? I've suggested it many times to you before, but you still insist on trying to find something here from a frankly bored crowd now - at the beginning of this laughable crusade, i would have even give you the name of a very good friend at the scb you could have aimed your missive at.

 

Sadly you never chose to do that..so perhaps you'll never get an answer to your question.

 

Goodnight campers.

[Guest]

The strap line on the IoW website says no decision was reached at the December 17 meeting with another to be held in January. A Press Release is scheduled for later.
We must all hope that this will give time for the club to work out a survival plan.
Note: I have cross-posted this in IoW on the National League forum.


Off the Wightlink Islanders Unofficial website:
http://www.iowislanders.co.uk/news/2013/201312/20131218_No_news_could_well_prove_to_be_good_news_for_the_Islanders.html

[RobMcCaffery]

I hear the Isle of Wight needs help....

[The White Knight]

Let's hope the the 'Third Party' mentioned is sincere and that some agreement can be reached.

 

We want more Tracks - not less.

[arthur cross]

Encouraging news that someone contacted last night's meeting who's keen to see what's needed to secure the Islanders' financial future.

 

One angle that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere regarding the Isle of Wight's speedway future is checking with other very successful offshore clubs in British sport to see if anything they've done really well could also be adapted to help the Islanders.

 

Jersey's rugby union team has climbed nearly all the way up the English clubs' ladder to reach the Championship which (just like football) is the 2nd level nationally in that sport and includes occasional live tv-appearances.

 

Guernsey's football team, strongly linked with Matthew Le Tissier's family, has made good progress up the non-league pyramid including reaching last season's FA Vase semi-finals ... they're finding it a bit tougher this season in Div-1-South of the Ryman League (currently 7th out of 24) which is the 4th-level of non-league but they're still regularly attracting between 800-to-1,000 fans to home games whereas most of their mainland opponents would be delighted with a home crowd of 300 !!

 

Guernsey's home leg of that FA Vase semi against Spennymoor was a 4,290 sell-out and not many of those travelled all the way from County Durham to support the away team.

 

Now I'm well aware both those Channel Islands benefit from different tax systems and, therefore, have a bigger proportion of potential benefactors within their respective populations ... indeed, Jersey's club website openly confirms that it's for tax reasons that they force any away fans to collect their tickets at the ground instead of receiving them in advance by post !!

 

But equally, all of the Football Association, the Ryman League, the Rugby Football Union and the rugby Championship have always demanded extra financial assurances and away-team expenses before allowing either Guernsey or Jersey to join mainland leagues ... certainly, those requirements have always been way in excess of anything required by the SCB or BSPA for Isle of Wight speedway.

 

Perhaps most importantly, what both Guernsey FC & Jersey RFC are clearly doing very well is harnessing anyone's generous financial backing alongside their general public's enthusiasm for having a sporting team fully capable of competing at a good standard of mainland competition ... all this despite their combined population being only slightly more than the Isle of Wight on its own (Jersey approx 90,000, Guernsey approx 60,000, Isle of Wight approx 130,000).

 

What's more, they're doing it in sports that mostly take place outside the holiday season !! ... all of which makes the speedway Islanders' reliance on holidaymakers propping up their crowds look even more awkward.

 

If football on Guernsey and rugby on Jersey can both tick along so well in mid-winter, surely it's worth someone from Isle of WIght speedway asking them for advice on how to get more locals supporting the Islanders.

[Tsunami]

I seem to remember that when the IOW first requested to be included in the PL, an undertaking was given that the IOW had to pay for the ferry charges for all the away riders and visiting officials. Dave Pavitt used to meet a nominated boat on the pier head, and had all the tickets to hand. Don't know if that arrangement still follows for the NL, as that would be an extra cost to the home promotion.

[Great Central]

I seem to remember that when the IOW first requested to be included in the PL, an undertaking was given that the IOW had to pay for the ferry charges for all the away riders and visiting officials. Dave Pavitt used to meet a nominated boat on the pier head, and had all the tickets to hand. Don't know if that arrangement still follows for the NL, as that would be an extra cost to the home promotion.

Not the case anymore. The very generous sponsorship package by Wightlink Ferries ensures that all riders and officials get across to the Island and back free of charge. Very efficiently they do it too!!

[Tsunami]

Not the case anymore. The very generous sponsorship package by Wightlink Ferries ensures that all riders and officials get across to the Island and back free of charge. Very efficiently they do it too!!

I used to enjoy going over in the ferry, and then get a lift in the bus with the likes of the ref and Bryn for £1.

[Jonny the spud]

The few times I went. ( not in the van with the bikes ) it cost a bloody fortune in the 4x4

[Tsunami]

The few times I went. ( not in the van with the bikes ) it cost a bloody fortune in the 4x4

I used to leave the car on land and then get the ferry. Much better and cheaper.

[Great Central]

I used to leave the car on land and then get the ferry. Much better and cheaper.

I thought that the deal that they had going in partnership with Wighlink and Ryde taxis was a fantastic deal ie £22 all in but I am not sure that it was publicised enough. Yes it is on the website, but not in the easiest place to find and quite a few people that I talked to weren't aware of the offer thinking that driving across on the ferry was the only way.

[SCB]

I'm sure when I went back in about '05 we parked up in Portsmouth, paid about £25 (and the average PL price was about £12 at the time) and that got us the Ferry, train up the pier and bus there and back. We missed the bus back because it went as soon as the heat 15 finished and nobody had told us it would leave quite so quickly but that aside couldn't complain about the price. Nice little stadium and club house too from what I remember of it all them years back.

Edited December 20, 2013 by SCB

[greyhoundp]

Its a shame, but it seems the mystery potential last minute backer has just as quickly pulled out of negotiations. I believe rather than get frustrated by trying to meet the January deadline the IOW should opt to not run NL meetings in 2014, but carry on raising funds with the aim to be back League racing in 2015.

I hate to see any Track close but it seems there is NO other option now. The IOW can do without the negativity, there has to be a way around this, nothing is impossible.

The Club has a great bunch of workers, and deserve at the very least, to see IOW Speedway continue, Yes it requires a little more, that maybe an outsider can see. but is not visible from within. My own thoughts on the IOW and the average gates of around just over 100, yes everyone could possibly do more to promote there Track/Team, not just the IOW, I doubt the Islanders can survive just on locals alone, nor on annual visitors to the Island, more needs to be done to encourage spectators to come from the mainland reguarly, then they could target some advertising there also, To this end the raceday HAS to be changed, this to me is THE single most important decision the Islanders can decide, lets look at Tuesdays, I live in Bournemouth, if i want to watch Speedway on the Island which i do, i need to get time off work, odd occasions yes, but reguarly no, now if the raceday was Saturday/Sunday afternoon or evening, then thats a different scenario altogether, and Im pretty sure, thats the case for many supporters from the mainland. Who wouldnt want to spend a weekend day on the Beach, afternoons/evenings Speedway, and an evening in a Pub, for me That HAS to be the way forward, Thats the single most important decision that can be made to sustain The IOW Speedway going forward, and if Wightlink can be brought on board, with a deal similar to what they already offer, then this would be brilliant. Also one needs to consider riders situations, and the travelling involved on a weekday, yes i know the holiday season could prove difficult,but thats only on a few occasions, whereas weekday traveling is week in, week out.

I sincerely hope some of my ideas would be considered, maybe not for 2014 now, but certainly for 2015 and years to come, weekend racedays has to be the way forward for The IOW Speedway, even if it only means an additional 50+ spectators, that would be a 50% increase on the average gate, many Clubs would give there right arm to see such an increase, yes i know its a low figure to start with, but its a start, and best not to be over ambitous with figures. I sincerely hope there is a way the IOW can be saved, as the people behind the scenes deserve it, the supporters want it, and Speedway can ill afford to lose another Track.

Edited December 22, 2013 by greyhoundp

[Gemini]

I agree that weekend racing would be a good idea but Sunday would be a better option than Saturday I would think as Saturday is usually the day when holidaymakers have either just arrived and are settling in or going home. I hope something can be sorted out.

[Great Central]

I agree that weekend racing would be a good idea but Sunday would be a better option than Saturday I would think as Saturday is usually the day when holidaymakers have either just arrived and are settling in or going home. I hope something can be sorted out.

And of course ferry space then becomes a problem. I am sure that Wightlink would not want to give up valuable space to non paying speedway riders and officials but no suggestion should be put down without adequate thought.