Save Isle Of Wight

[Ray Stadia]

R.ichard

Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?

[Tsunami]

Yes you are correct. I'm just shocked that on a forum that often lambasts the BSPA for things they haven't done (as in wrongly attributed to them) a decision they have made, based on limited science, that will lead to the closure of some tracks and at some tracks possibly increasing the risk of injury, has just been waved through by the forum on the nod!

 

I've said my piece on it, which will undoubtedly cheer up those who wish to supress genuine debate.

 

Let's hope you keep your word on it, you're getting boring.

 

Name one track that is going to be closed because of the purchase of an air fence.

IOW and Peterborough are not. On a 120 gate IOW could not survive even without buying the fence.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Tsunami

[Elephantman]

Let's hope you keep your word on it, you're getting boring.

 

Name one track that is going to be closed because of the purchase of an air fence.

IOW and Peterborough are not. On a 120 gate IOW could not survive even without buying the fence.

I would have done but some nob decided they'd pm me telling me to stop. So up yours delores. I'll post what I wish when I wish in what thread I wish if the comment can be related to that thread.

 

This thread is another club that are on the ponce for money for an air fence; the question that one should be asked is are there other alternatives types of fence that may be cheaper and not reduce safety for this track. That cannot be considered because of an arbitrary decision made by the BSPA.

 

So to the Doctor and you Tsunami; gan stick yee heed doon the nettie!

[StevePark]

Yes you are correct. I'm just shocked that on a forum that often lambasts the BSPA for things they haven't done (as in wrongly attributed to them) a decision they have made, based on limited science, that will lead to the closure of some tracks and at some tracks possibly increasing the risk of injury, has just been waved through by the forum on the nod!

 

I've said my piece on it, which will undoubtedly cheer up those who wish to supress genuine debate.

Which tracks are they then, please?

[Arson fire]

Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?

no but I think his brother Warwick is posting on this thread

I would have done but some nob decided they'd pm me telling me to stop. So up yours delores.

 

So to the Doctor and you Tsunami; gan stick yee heed doon the nettie!

forum gerld

[Tsunami]

I would have done but some nob decided they'd pm me telling me to stop. So up yours delores. I'll post what I wish when I wish in what thread I wish if the comment can be related to that thread.

 

This thread is another club that are on the ponce for money for an air fence; the question that one should be asked is are there other alternatives types of fence that may be cheaper and not reduce safety for this track. That cannot be considered because of an arbitrary decision made by the BSPA.

 

So to the Doctor and you Tsunami; gan stick yee heed doon the nettie!

Says the boring man who craves for 'genuine debate'. Walk on.

[The Doctor...]

This thread is another club that are on the ponce for money for an air fence; the question that one should be asked is are there other alternatives types of fence that may be cheaper and not reduce safety for this track. That cannot be considered because of an arbitrary decision made by the BSPA.

 

 

 

But not on this thread !!

 

Christ almighty man..you need to get life, seriously. You've asked the question hundreds of time, anyone who ever gave a monkeys has long since moved on.

[Blackadder]

For the last time, the decision has come from the SCB, not the BSPA.

[gaptooth]

Oh we'll might as well get a ban. Elephant man you are a to££er

[Great Central]

 

Every single person going to the IOW goes on the ferries. When I went over, no posters at all on either Wightlink or Red Funnel.

 

Then there's the IOW tourist magazine that's distributed free on the ferries and elsewhere and tells visitors about everything there is to do and see. No adverts there either (if memory serves me correctly there was a one line mention under sports).

 

No posters or leaflets in caravan sites (at least there wasn't on the one at Whitecliff Bay where my brother has his caravan) so I presume there were none in hotels or Bed & Breakfasts either.

 

The sort of advertising I am suggesting is in the places where people who know nothing about the Island will be looking - and that's not in press releases.

Some great ideas coming up all of which I hope will sway the decision the right way on Tuesday. I think now the issue has come out onto the forum it is showing how people are willing to help with ideas. Of course they have to be translated into action by someone but at least the ideas are there.

Leaflets should be placed in every tourist attraction on the Island and maybe a deal struck up whereby a purchase to one attraction gets you reduced admission to another.

There is a small advert on page 61 of the Wightlife magazine right down at the bottom but could be easily missed since it seems to blend in with the ones next to it. A thought would be for the Supporters Club to try and fund a full page advert next year if they run. What about contacting former riders(there are some illustrious ones that have cut their teeth around Smallbrook) and ask them to donate one item for auction on ebay with funds going to the Supporters Club to pay for increased advertising.

What about advertising on the TV screens on the ferries - more expensive but for about £2k I think, it appears that you can access a potential of 800,000 pax for three months(June, July and August) with over 400,000 opportunities to view the advert on the 5 ferries Portsmouth to Fishbourne route. It would be better than watching the garlic growing!!

[Bryn]

 

Some excellent suggestions "Grand Central" - are you offering to sponsor the cost of putting them in place?

Edited December 13, 2013 by Bryn

[TMW]

I'm more saddened that its the fans who are asked to put there hands in there pockets yet again, and time after time the poor folk on the terraces are asked to dig deep on top of increased admission prices.

 

Might sound harsh but if a club cannot afford an air fence then bye, and if we end up with no tracks left so be it, its the end of speedway, the paying public are taken for mugs.

 

The only times fans should be approached is for the SRBF, end of.

Oh it will cost them a damn sight more if the club folds and then they set to trying to revive it. Ask anyone of the difunct clubs trying to get back. It's a crying shame that the track is there going nowhere just cash flow is the obstacle. Quite different from tracks which have been sold for development.

 

For those saying they aren't getting anything for their efforts they just may get a season of Speedway if the effort isn't made they won't I would say that's plenty.

[Ray Stadia]

Oh it will cost them a damn sight more if the club folds and then they set to trying to revive it. Ask anyone of the difunct clubs trying to get back. It's a crying shame that the track is there going nowhere just cash flow is the obstacle. Quite different from tracks which have been sold for development.

 

For those saying they aren't getting anything for their efforts they just may get a season of Speedway if the effort isn't made they won't I would say that's plenty.

Tsunami and Gustix seem to know exactly what you are saying, but with respect, what are you saying?

 

Are you saying that if IoW get the AF all will be good? But, from what has been said the club attracts 120 fans and let's hope they are paying fans! Is the circle squared?

[Great Central]

 

Some excellent suggestions "Grand Central" - are you offering to sponsor the cost of putting them in place?

 

Bryn,

I think you know my views on the IOW and where they should go in the future but with Mrs W(TMW) watching my every move, I could not possibly commit on this forum to such a generous offer from you. As the Government would say "We are currently exploring all avenues and opportunities"!!

Martin

[Halifaxtiger]

 

Some excellent suggestions "Grand Central" - are you offering to sponsor the cost of putting them in place?

 

I was waiting for that one.

 

For most tracks, advertising is an expensive waste of money unless it refers to a special, one off event. For that reason, it should come way down the list of priorities.

 

In Isle of Wight's case (and due to its dependence on visitors), its as much of a priority as preparing the track or having an ambulance.

[TMW]

Tsunami and Gustix seem to know exactly what you are saying, but with respect, what are you saying?

 

Are you saying that if IoW get the AF all will be good? But, from what has been said the club attracts 120 fans and let's hope they are paying fans! Is the circle squared?

Mr Sensible seems to think that it is time to stop asking supporters for contributions and make the promoters shoulder the burden (The IOW doesn't have a promoter btw). The point I am making is that when the club folds and the committee walk away the IOW supporters will then set to trying to get it back which will cost them just as much if not more.

 

Gustix and Tsunami have obviously been in that position by the sounds of it you haven't. Hence you not seeing the point.

 

Get the AF in place could be a start but it's clearly not the solution.

Edited December 14, 2013 by TMW

[Bryn]

With respect 'Halifaxtiger' why were you 'waiting for that one' as my response was directed towards 'Grand Central' and, as you can see he has to listen to his boss! Seriously though, where exactly would the money come from? The club's in debt, it's struggling to find funds to by an air fence which it HAS to by to continue and, like most club's when it comes to the nitty gritty of actually physically doing things e.g. handing out leaflets, lots of people may have come up with ideas on forums such as this and at supporters meetings etc but few get involved.

 

At this moment in time, it's 'crunch time' with the priority being to save the club, find the necessary funds for the air fence etc., and thus operate in 2014 for, as TMW has alluded to, if the Wightlink Islanders don't operate in 2014, it's going to be nigh on impossible for speedway to return there. Just look at Reading, Hackney, Wimbledon, Halifax, Bradford...

Edited December 14, 2013 by Bryn

[TMW]

My interest in the IOW's survival is born from being a (new) Leicester supporter and what the closure of tracks does to people with the closing of Leicester /Long Eaton & the subsequent opening of Leicester again. It's heartbreaking for them.

[Great Central]

With respect 'Halifaxtiger' why were you 'waiting for that one' as my response was directed towards 'Grand Central' and, as you can see he has to listen to his boss! Seriously though, where exactly would the money come from? The club's in debt, it's struggling to find funds to by an air fence which it HAS to by to continue and, like most club's when it comes to the nitty gritty of actually physically doing things e.g. handing out leaflets, lots of people may have come up with ideas on forums such as this and at supporters meetings etc but few get involved.

 

At this moment in time, it's 'crunch time' with the priority being to save the club, find the necessary funds for the air fence etc., and thus operate in 2014 for, as TMW has alluded to, if the Wightlink Islanders don't operate in 2014, it's going to be nigh on impossible for speedway to return there. Just look at Reading, Hackney, Wimbledon, Halifax, Bradford...

Bryn,

It is Great Central, not that young upstart Grand Central from the New World!! I think that Halifax Tiger is spot on with his comments about advertising being so important to the Isle of Wight. If it is a lost cause trying to stir up support in the Island, and I don't think it is which is why I keep helping out in the background, the tourists who come across are therefore the lifeblood of speedway at Smallbrook but if they don't know it is there then they won't go.

I also don't think that the air fence is the issue here. Yes the club is about £10k short right now but how long has the campaign been running. Not that long and a protracted campaign over the winter will bring in the additional money, and the Supporters Club have offered some help going forward with any instalment payments. What it needs however is a unified push on air fence fundraising and also how to improve attendances and I have offered my help in any way that I can.

Why am I bothered about whether the IOW runs or not? It is because in this case it is not about the land being sold for houses but being viable going forward. It is a great club, run by shareholders in a not for profit context which is a great ethos. It will affect the NL and British speedway if it doesn't run and who cannot be excited by its unique position. I was involved to a small extent in Leicester coming back and am trying to get a home for the Long Eaton Invaders and like many on here who have tried to resurrect speedway clubs, it is nigh on impossible to do. Much easier to keep it going rather than trying to start afresh which TMW was alluding to.

The focus should be therefore on clearing the debt and improving visibility of speedway to the tourists and the air fence will take care of itself. At the moment, in my opinion, it is acting as a smoke screen to the real problems behind the club's vilability.

Martin

Edited December 14, 2013 by Great Central

[Guest]

Bryn,

It is Great Central, not that young upstart Grand Central from the New World!! I think that Halifax Tiger is spot on with his comments about advertising being so important to the Isle of Wight. If it is a lost cause trying to stir up support in the Island, and I don't think it is which is why I keep helping out in the background, the tourists who come across are therefore the lifeblood of speedway at Smallbrook but if they don't know it is there then they won't go.

I also don't think that the air fence is the issue here. Yes the club is about £10k short right now but how long has the campaign been running. Not that long and a protracted campaign over the winter will bring in the additional money, and the Supporters Club have offered some help going forward with any instalment payments. What it needs however is a unified push on air fence fundraising and also how to improve attendances and I have offered my help in any way that I can.

Why am I bothered about whether the IOW runs or not? It is because in this case it is not about the land being sold for houses but being viable going forward. It is a great club, run by shareholders in a not for profit context which is a great ethos. It will affect the NL and British speedway if it doesn't run and who cannot be excited by its unique position. I was involved to a small extent in Leicester coming back and am trying to get a home for the Long Eaton Invaders and like many on here who have tried to resurrect speedway clubs, it is nigh on impossible to do. Much easier to keep it going rather than trying to start afresh which TMW was alluding to.

The focus should be therefore on clearing the debt and improving visibility of speedway to the tourists and the air fence will take care of itself. At the moment, in my opinion, it is acting as a smoke screen to the real problems behind the club's vilability.

Martin

 

Obviously the main need to see IoW hopefully survive for next season is to find additional funding. I was surprised to see that two cycle speedway clubs - not in the IoW area - have received reasonable donations - http://www.spokesman-online.co.uk/ - which indicates there are people prepared to help sport financially. Let's hope that IoW get much needed help like this.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Guest