Halifaxtiger Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 You BOTH did. But I was replying to Dave's Post HT. I hadn't forgotten your advice either my friend. To be fair, I got it from him. Its still probably the most profound, sensible and intelligent argument that I have ever heard about speedway and I have repeated it many times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) IOW speedway has never been able to sustain itself on local gates. Its always relied on holiday makers which is why they ran twice a week during the summer in PL days. Personally, I'd say trying to persuade the locals (who should be aware of its existence) is a waste of time when compared with trying to attract visitors (who might not). A friend of mine and his wife are passionate IOW fans and I know he is doing all he can to help. He told me, however - and to my utter disbelief - that IOW speedway did no advertising in 2012. That's one reason why the gates in that season at least were so poor. Advertising is grossly overrated as a method of increasing attendances. But when you are reliant upon people who do not live locally, I'd say its a must. What form of advertising are you suggesting is a must then 'halifaxtiger?' I can vouch for starters in the year you refer to that over 70 separate press releases were each distributed to 40 plus different outlets both on the IOW and nationally. Edited December 13, 2013 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 The BSF seems to be changing dramatically. I saw the 'f' word in one message and another with comments that were far from suitable for a forum obviously read in many cases by young people. Not sure how many under 16s read the forum in fairness - if you know many who do..well perhaps that's a little scary. My post contained swearing yes - if the mods want to pull it, then i actively encourage them to do that. But it wasn't swearing for the sake of swearing was it ? It was to enhance my point that the continued air fence safety agenda by one particular forum member has no place on this thread. I'm not even an IOW fan, but i want this to be their place to rally support and do what they need to do to keep the sport on the island. I'm a Reading fan, and believe me if this was a Save the Racers thread, there would be a lot more swear words for you to worry about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 What form of advertising are you suggesting is a must then 'halifaxtiger?' I can vouch for starters in the year you refer to that over 70 separate press releases were each distributed to 40 plus different outlets both on the IOW and nationally. How about, hand leaflets to the holidaymakers as they step off the ferry. Or if they have their cars, somehow have an advertising board so they can see as they drive away, IoW has a Speedway track. I would imagine, many holidaymakers don't bring their cars over, so how easy is it for them to get to the track? Does the promotion try and offer transport or at least, make it easy for the holidaymakers to know how to get to the track? Not sure if it is allowed these days, but what about a car or van going up and down the seafront, with a loudhailer and posters on the side of the vehicle, similar to what Circuses do, to promote the track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) The BSF seems to be changing dramatically. I saw the 'f' word in one message and another with comments that were far from suitable for a forum obviously read in many cases by young people. I doubt you did see the 'f' word as this forum automatically censors such words. I also don't know what young people have to do with it. Their parents should be supervising their Internet use, but I'm sure they hear far worse in the school playground... Edited December 13, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Not sure how many under 16s read the forum in fairness - if you know many who do..well perhaps that's a little scary. My post contained swearing yes - if the mods want to pull it, then i actively encourage them to do that. What about all the older generation though. Have you seen the recent demographics of speedway supporters !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I doubt you did see the 'f' word as this forum automatically censors such words. I also don't know what young people have to do with it. Their parents should be supervising their Internet use, but I'm sure they hear far worse in the school playground... Sorry, but i've bitten my tongue long enough now. How many f.ucking threads are you going to hijack with your crap about data and air fences ? This is a thread for the Isle of Wight who are on the brink, and you're still trying to hijack it - forget your agenda, forget your sad-man-with-too-much-time-on-his-hands attitude - this is an IOW thread. Unless you're transferrring some of your pension to their fund, is it too much to ask that you leave this alone ? W to the anchor. Don't really want to highlight it... but there you go. I really enjoyed my trips to the island following Newcastle in the IOW PL days and hope something can be sorted for the club to continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I doubt you did see the 'f' word as this forum automatically censors such words. I also don't know what young people have to do with it. Their parents should be supervising their Internet use, but I'm sure they hear far worse in the school playground... Ahem..there are ways round it...surprised no one has spotted or mentioned the other one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I doubt you did see the 'f' word as this forum automatically censors such words. I also don't know what young people have to do with it. Their parents should be supervising their Internet use, but I'm sure they hear far worse in the school playground... The software needs an intelligence boost me thinks !!! Supervising ? I guess we could include this forum on the list of dodgy sites, not great for future support mind. Ahem..there are ways round it...surprised no one has spotted or mentioned the other one too Writing back to front and using a mirror? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) What on earth have the last four or so posts got to do with this thread??? Edited December 13, 2013 by Bryn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 To get back on track, excuse the pun! If I donate a sum of money and the IoW don't go ahead, do I get my donation back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 What on earth have the last four or so posts got to do with this thread??? Do you think they should have been put up on facebook then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I doubt you did see the 'f' word as this forum automatically censors such words. I also don't know what young people have to do with it. Their parents should be supervising their Internet use, but I'm sure they hear far worse in the school playground... Ahem..there are ways round it...surprised no one has spotted or mentioned the other one too Yes you can beat the forum banned quite easily: if for example catty is a banned word what you key in instead is cat.ty and in most cases this overides a froum's use on certain words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yes you can beat the forum banned quite easily: if for example catty is a banned word what you key in instead is cat.ty and in most cases this overides a froum's use on certain words. But it didn't work for forums I see. Just joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yes you can beat the forum banned quite easily: if for example catty is a banned word what you key in instead is cat.ty and in most cases this overides a froum's use on certain words. R.ichard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 What form of advertising are you suggesting is a must then 'halifaxtiger?' I can vouch for starters in the year you refer to that over 70 separate press releases were each distributed to 40 plus different outlets both on the IOW and nationally. Every single person going to the IOW goes on the ferries. When I went over, no posters at all on either Wightlink or Red Funnel. Then there's the IOW tourist magazine that's distributed free on the ferries and elsewhere and tells visitors about everything there is to do and see. No adverts there either (if memory serves me correctly there was a one line mention under sports). No posters or leaflets in caravan sites (at least there wasn't on the one at Whitecliff Bay where my brother has his caravan) so I presume there were none in hotels or Bed & Breakfasts either. The sort of advertising I am suggesting is in the places where people who know nothing about the Island will be looking - and that's not in press releases. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Agreed to an extent. I get fed up every season of reading "press releases" from clubs begging and threatening closure if their current crop of fans don't attend matches or donate money to buy stuff. The fans already contribute enough IMO through admissions, matchday magazines, merch etc, and it's far too easy for a promotion to send out a threatening press release, rather than trying to attract new fans themselves or getting their own finances in order. Yeah we need more clubs, but constantly crying wolf about closing is getting beyond a joke. Almost as regular as British Gas putting the prices up each winter. How about using some of the new TV deal money instead? They've gone for a low budget league anyway, so skim the money into an air fence for IOW instead. Thing is but, if you haven't got it or don't want to subscribe, you don't. That's your choice, and you are not demanded to do so. If promotions didn't tell you of the consequences, and then closed, you might feel inclined to have been advised, that's all. After the losses of the last two years with the weather, you could think we were lucky to still have speedway, so asking for a bit help doesn't seem unreasonable. Especially when you not compelled to help. Given the current trading situation, and receiving a reduced amount from SKY, and most clubs already having make the effort and bought their fence either now or in the past, why should any money go to the IOW, especially when it as a business that does not seem very viable. If the IOW got it, what about putting the rest of money into keeping Peterborough Speedway going for another team and keeping the venue open for the FIM type meetings in this country. Where does it stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I've been to the Island a number of times in the last couple of years, i've seen adverts on the ferry for ...... Garlic farms music festivals supermarkets dinosaur parks markets scooter rallys guest houses cycle rides etc...... etc Speedway ? not one mention in any magazine, leaflet or road sign. it's almost as if a casual visitor to the Island wasn't suppose to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Very harsh that Dave - we need to be encouraging folk NOT chasing them away. I sometimes think what you Posted could apply to me too. I have great difficulty with a lot of what is happening in my favourite Sport. Oddly enough, it was partly you who encouraged me to return to Brough next Season, perhaps unknowingly. (Your fault ). You told me, I remember, "forget all the rubbish around Speedway and concentrate on four Riders hurtling around the Track". This I am going to try to do. We need folks, but we don't need enemy's from within, who seem to now have a death wish on a sport that he was employed in to good effect for most of his life. If his love affair with Speedway, and later Stocks, has now ceased, he should just go quietly and pick up on something else. Like a bad apple it/he does effect the rest of us, who are dedicated to the sport and would help in any way for it to continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I happen to agree about air fences - or at least think you have a point - but they are mandatory. Any talk of how effective or preferable they are is irrelevant to IOW's survival. Yes you are correct. I'm just shocked that on a forum that often lambasts the BSPA for things they haven't done (as in wrongly attributed to them) a decision they have made, based on limited science, that will lead to the closure of some tracks and at some tracks possibly increasing the risk of injury, has just been waved through by the forum on the nod! I've said my piece on it, which will undoubtedly cheer up those who wish to supress genuine debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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