Matt Ford Already Planning To Fiddle Reserve Berths?

[phillipsr]

Dont see what he said thats so bad?? He said he didnt want to ride here because the promters / BSPA are s**t. Hes got a point

[jimmy jimmy]

Why would Robert Lambert agree to that point money when he knows damn well he can get treble it (at least) when he turns 16. The kid is a hot property, he is good enough to go straight on the top 5.

[speedibee]

All the reserves have signed up to a £40 a point contract, Lambert won't do that... case closed.

signing a contract for £40 a point does not mean he can't have "sponsors" , case re-opened !

[JamesC1979]

Pointless topic.

 

If Poole want to replace Smart it will have to be from the original list of 23 riders. Lambert will not replace him, he was offered the opportunity to be part of the group of 30 riders but turned it down thus he shouldn't be allowed any rides as part of the system.

 

Holder also won't ride mainly because he would have to commit to riding for Team GB for 5 years which he isn't going to do.

 

What I expect to happen during the course of the season is for the list of 23 riders to expand to take account of injuries and loss of form, but it will do so for young GB riders who were not offered the opportunity at the start of the season (i.e. those riders that would have been ranked 30-40 on the original list).

[1 valve]

come on guys & gals...as much as you might hate to think it (maybe even deny it) Matt Ford has done nothing wrong on this subject. Mores to the point he has been interviewed in the local press and created a story to read which covers a matter that impacts on his team and putr the new concept into th epublic domian. This is the job of any promoter and so cudos to him for doing just that.

[bigcatdiary]

Dont see what he said thats so bad?? He said he didnt want to ride here because the promters / BSPA are s**t. Hes got a point

 

Point nothing, he is spot on

[SCB]

£40 ON the books. 'Cash in hand' back-handers OFF the books.

 

Seriously, what world do you live in pal?

 

signing a contract for £40 a point does not mean he can't have "sponsors" , case re-opened !

But he had to ride where ever he was drafted for £40 a point. Its ok saying sponsors and brown envelopes but why would anyone pay their NL draft rider more? He's already signed his contract.

[500cc]

 

But he had to ride where ever he was drafted for £40 a point. Its ok saying sponsors and brown envelopes but why would anyone pay their NL draft rider more? He's already signed his contract.

Depends if Coventry wanted him and if he wanted to ride at Coventry. If the answer to both were yes, then he could have entered the draft knowing where he would be selected and having already agreed his finances.

 

Not saying either answer would be yes, but it is the scenario where the extras would be relevant.

 

More relevant though, I doubt many riders will stay with their EL team if they are earning just £120 a match. Whilst we may argue that's a reasonable guarantee, and with no costs isn't a bad earner for a youngster, it's the associated expenses of a speedway rider that is the issue. How many matches would it take to replace a blown motor in a reserve's first heat of the season?

 

Is there a job where the income per week, ability to work (e.g. injury), temporary unemployment (e.g. team reshuffles), weekly equipment costs and unexpected costs (e.g. new motors) are so varied?

 

I'd suspect many riders would ride for far less (including for free - especially in the lower divisions) if there were no costs associated to their job, especially the unexpected costs.

[E I Addio]

How many matches would it take to replace a blown motor in a reserve's first heat of the season?

 

 

Do you imagine that blown motors don't occur in NL or PL matches ? The other side of your argument is that if a motor is blown in a NL/PL match the extra income from the EL will be very handy in replacing it. Add to that the experience gained on set-ups, etc from riding in the EL is likely to have a beneficial knock-on effect in the points scored (and therefore money earned) in the lower leagues..

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

The way I see it any fiddle (if there even is one planned) can only happen if the collective allow it.

 

Choices have to be from a certain position off the allocated list.

 

If the rider isnt on the list he isnt an option or if he isnt low enough in the ranking he isnt an option.

 

Be strong with the list and there can be no manipulation anyway even if desired.

Edited December 5, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[oldace]

 

 

 

Is there a job where the income per week, ability to work (e.g. injury), temporary unemployment (e.g. team reshuffles), weekly equipment costs and unexpected costs (e.g. new motors) are so varied?

 

 

 

No, but there are plenty of hobbies or semi professional sports like that. Merely owning a bike doesn't give a rider the right to earn a living from it.

 

These are young kids and it could be a valuable opportunity to progress.

 

In its current position speedway, for all but the very top riders, should be semi pro, and at the very lower end just an expensive hobby

[kingbee]

Depends if Coventry wanted him and if he wanted to ride at Coventry. If the answer to both were yes, then he could have entered the draft knowing where he would be selected and having already agreed his finances.

 

Not saying either answer would be yes, but it is the scenario where the extras would be relevant.

 

More relevant though, I doubt many riders will stay with their EL team if they are earning just £120 a match. Whilst we may argue that's a reasonable guarantee, and with no costs isn't a bad earner for a youngster, it's the associated expenses of a speedway rider that is the issue. How many matches would it take to replace a blown motor in a reserve's first heat of the season?

 

Is there a job where the income per week, ability to work (e.g. injury), temporary unemployment (e.g. team reshuffles), weekly equipment costs and unexpected costs (e.g. new motors) are so varied?

 

I'd suspect many riders would ride for far less (including for free - especially in the lower divisions) if there were no costs associated to their job, especially the unexpected costs.

Most riders including Nigel Boocock had jobs outside of speedway in the 60s 70s and went to meetings with one bike on the back of there car plus a track spare at the track maintained by the promoter riders need to get realistic

[Vince]

Most riders including Nigel Boocock had jobs outside of speedway in the 60s 70s and went to meetings with one bike on the back of there car plus a track spare at the track maintained by the promoter riders need to get realistic

 

Plenty of riders have jobs now. Be interesting to see what the fans on here would say if a rider continually turned up with one cheap bike and expected to borrow one whenever he had problems, perhaps it's the fans not the riders that need to get realistic!

[kingbee]

Plenty of riders have jobs now. Be interesting to see what the fans on here would say if a rider continually turned up with one cheap bike and expected to borrow one whenever he had problems, perhaps it's the fans not the riders that need to get realistic!

Are you saying that Nigel's bike was cheap I know he rode some rubbish some times but he was one of the top half dozen riders in the world at that time they didn't borrow bikes they used the track spare as it was called.Fundin Briggs Craven etc all had one bike at the time

[Starman2006]

Sounds like Matt Ford is already thinking how he can fiddle the reserve berths and dump Lee Smart. ...Robert Lambert in?

 

 

From Bournemouth Echo.

 

 

 

"However, Ford revealed the makeup of Poole's tail end could yet change, depending on Smart's availability.

Ford added: 'I have yet to speak to Lee and we need to discuss the balance of his commitments. The reserve system is new to everybody and there might be some teething problems.

There are one or two riders still about so we will see what the next few weeks bring.'"

You get sadder by the day Leslie. Thats correct its exactly what it says on the Tin, reguardless how your warped mind reads into it..

Most riders including Nigel Boocock had jobs outside of speedway in the 60s 70s and went to meetings with one bike on the back of there car plus a track spare at the track maintained by the promoter riders need to get realistic

Spot on..

[Red Panda]

Are you guys not forgetting something.........Robert Lambert does not even come in to the equation yet as he is not 16 til later in the year which makes him ineligible to ride EL and PL anyway............

 

RP

[g13webb]

I am in no doubt, even at this early stage , that Lamberts immediate future has already been decided. And Matt Ford, with the biggest pot of gold, his twisted political antics or his rule bending, had no relevance on that decision at all.

[Pirates Of Poole]

Lambert is going to be at KL

[ten years after]

Would have thought R.Lambert could only replace Newman both being in the top grade of the riders .. I presume Lambert will be available after his birthday when he is old enough to ride..Then watch the scramble for his signature,,Who has the biggest cheque book,???

Nothing new there!!

[stevebrum]

Are you guys not forgetting something.........Robert Lambert does not even come in to the equation yet as he is not 16 til later in the year which makes him ineligible to ride EL and PL anyway............

 

RP

 

I am in no doubt, even at this early stage , that Lamberts immediate future has already been decided. And Matt Ford, with the biggest pot of gold, his twisted political antics or his rule bending, had no relevance on that decision at all.

Reading the Speedway Star interview it is clear he will be in the EL in a 1-5 next season.

Poole must be favourites, unless he is sticking to his Kings Lynn roots of this season.

If the Stars sign him then they are already looking like favourites with the best 2 reserves as well.