Objects Of Ridicule ?

[Gemini]

 

 

.....sidney..... My main gripe is that the public never got a say in the matter no real research on what the fans wanted.

 

What's the point of that? You only have to read some of the discussions on the forum to know that even the fans can't agree on the best solution to the sport's problems so why should we have a say in the matter. Anyway, I think the majority of us were wanting less foreign riders being flown in and out to score a couple of points and more help for the British lads and that's what we've got. I'm quite happy and looking forward to next season.

[stratton]

What's the point of that? You only have to read some of the discussions on the forum to know that even the fans can't agree on the best solution to the sport's problems so why should we have a say in the matter. Anyway, I think the majority of us were wanting less foreign riders being flown in and out to score a couple of points and more help for the British lads and that's what we've got. I'm quite happy and looking forward to next season.

I am all for the British lads getting the chance, but are you saying the fans should not have a say in the matter? Myself if my business was in the mire, i would would want to know what the paying public was thinking and maybe feed off that and try to improve things.

[oldace]

Your arrogance Oldace makes me laugh, how do you know Ray has a low knowledge about other sports? i don't see alot of past evidence showing that you are that knowledgeable you i think are in your own little world.

 

Well the fact he stated other sports don't tinker with their rules over time when it is patently nonsense was a good indication

[Ray Stadia]

 

Well the fact he stated other sports don't tinker with their rules over time when it is patently nonsense was a good indication

Do you shout at people face to face?......no, thought not!

 

I have already answered your caustic post, repeated below, for your benefit Oldace:

 

Thanks Sidney. Oldace is right I haven't got much knowledge of sports like Rugby and Football, but I do think I am right in saying that when a Football team or Rugby team take to the field, the players are not a 'hotch potch' of players from other Football or Rugby Teams. I also think I am safe in saying that, in certain circumstances, a goal won't count as 2, a try won't count as 2 or a conversion won't count as 2.

[waiheke1]

I wonder how the fans in the above sports feel about the rule changes? Do they also think...aggghhh! 'more tinkering'. At the end of the day, if you are happy with the way Speedway is run and the current way teams are constructed and points are earned, fine, I respect that. If Speedway was flourishing, new tracks were coming on stream and there was an abundance of British Speedway Rider talent, I would say 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Do you think that is where we are?

 

Clearly speedway in britain is not in a great way, but guest riders, riders also riding in foreign leagues and doublepoint rules are WAY down the list of causes.

Assuming the op's story was true, do u think newbies would care about any of those things if thry had just had a grest evening out with an hour and a half of good entertainment, in a presentable stadium and a decent atmosphere?

[Ray Stadia]

Clearly speedway in britain is not in a great way, but guest riders, riders also riding in foreign leagues and doublepoint rules are WAY down the list of causes.

Assuming the op's story was true, do u think newbies would care about any of those things if thry had just had a grest evening out with an hour and a half of good entertainment, in a presentable stadium and a decent atmosphere?

I think you are right about a newbie. Assuming they had never seen Speedway before, they would be getting to grips with the whole meeting and not concerned with the 'nitty gritty'. I thought we had moved on from the OP though? And thought we were talking about the established fans and how they would, ideally, like to see Speedway run. Probably time to wrap up this topic now, as it seems, for some people, they just want to keep 'beating up' the original OP member. Clearly those members are not capable of debate.

[Paulco]

I think you are right about a newbie. Assuming they had never seen Speedway before, they would be getting to grips with the whole meeting and not concerned with the 'nitty gritty'. I thought we had moved on from the OP though? And thought we were talking about the established fans and how they would, ideally, like to see Speedway run. Probably time to wrap up this topic now, as it seems, for some people, they just want to keep 'beating up' the original OP member. Clearly those members are not capable of debate.

If we had tracks prepared fairly and not just to suit the home team , and in some cases not even all of the home team , then we would be watching entertaining racing and certain grey issues in the rule book would not be so much of an issue . Watching processional racing on bare or inconsistant tracks is a bigger threat to our sport than the t/r or riders riding for multiple clubs .

[waiheke1]

Surely as an established fan what u want is mostly the same as a newbie - good racing, good atmosphere, reasonably priced food and drink, slickly presented and overcin an hour and a half.

Guests - not ideal but what is the alternative?

Double points - noone seems to like them, but lets be honest about that not try to clsim it is because they are unfair.

More brits - yes, but there needs to be a long term investment.

Increased/decreased points limit: no consensus, but prrsonally I think aim should be to strengthen not weaken the league.

Cost cutting: all well and good, but emphasis should really be on improving product and growing revenue if u want a sustainable model.

Pricing: ideally lower, but you aint going to get it lower by cost cutting, only by incresding the numbrrs through the gate to the extent it becomes viable.

[The White Knight]

 

What's the point of that? You only have to read some of the discussions on the forum to know that even the fans can't agree on the best solution to the sport's problems so why should we have a say in the matter. Anyway, I think the majority of us were wanting less foreign riders being flown in and out to score a couple of points and more help for the British lads and that's what we've got. I'm quite happy and looking forward to next season.

 

 

A LOT (possibly the majority) of us Supporters wanted the Double Points System scrapped - they haven't sorted that out though - have they? I'm NOT happy but will have to put up with it.

 

I am all for the British lads getting the chance, but are you saying the fans should not have a say in the matter? Myself if my business was in the mire, i would would want to know what the paying public was thinking and maybe feed off that and try to improve things.

 

I honestly think that the vast majority of Promoters aren't that bothered what their Customers/Supporters think as long as they come along to every Meeting. :sad:

 

Surely as an established fan what u want is mostly the same as a newbie - good racing, good atmosphere, reasonably priced food and drink, slickly presented and overcin an hour and a half.

Guests - not ideal but what is the alternative?

Double points - noone seems to like them, but lets be honest about that not try to clsim it is because they are unfair.

More brits - yes, but there needs to be a long term investment.

Increased/decreased points limit: no consensus, but prrsonally I think aim should be to strengthen not weaken the league.

Cost cutting: all well and good, but emphasis should really be on improving product and growing revenue if u want a sustainable model.

Pricing: ideally lower, but you aint going to get it lower by cost cutting, only by incresding the numbrrs through the gate to the extent it becomes viable.

 

 

So WHY the hell, if that is true, doesn't the BSPA listen to it's clientele and actually DO something about it?

[Halifaxtiger]

If we had tracks prepared fairly and not just to suit the home team , and in some cases not even all of the home team , then we would be watching entertaining racing and certain grey issues in the rule book would not be so much of an issue . Watching processional racing on bare or inconsistant tracks is a bigger threat to our sport than the t/r or riders riding for multiple clubs .

 

I agree completely, but there are a lot of supporters who'd sooner see crap racing and their team be almost guaranteed a win than good racing and run the risk of them losing.

 

 

 

So WHY the hell, if that is true, doesn't the BSPA listen to it's clientele and actually DO something about it?

 

Because I believe most speedway fans - you are a rare exception - want some some of tactical facility. They shut their eyes to the fact that not only was the old tactical substitue rule more destructive than tactical rides, its reintroduction would cost the sport tens of thousands of pounds in increased wages.

[The White Knight]

 

I agree completely, but there are a lot of supporters who'd sooner see crap racing and their team be almost guaranteed a win than good racing and run the risk of them losing.

 

 

 

 

Because I believe most speedway fans - you are a rare exception - want some some of tactical facility. They shut their eyes to the fact that not only was the old tactical substitue rule more destructive than tactical rides, its reintroduction would cost the sport tens of thousands of pounds in increased wages.

 

 

I don't really agree with that statement HT. MOST Supporters I talk to seem to just want the Meeting to be run with the score being decided at the end of the Meeting and the Result NOT to be tampered with by Tactical Substitutes or Tactical Rides. Unfortunately nobody listens to them. :sad:

Edited December 5, 2013 by The White Knight

[oldace]

I was telling a bloke in the pub and he fell about laughing when i told him about the old tac sub rule. He even told some other mates and they were the same. Pretty soon the whole pub was in hysterics. They all agreed never to go to speedway if this rule was ever reintroduced.

[The White Knight]

I was telling a bloke in the pub and he fell about laughing when i told him about the old tac sub rule. He even told some other mates and they were the same. Pretty soon the whole pub was in hysterics. They all agreed never to go to speedway if this rule was ever reintroduced.

 

SARCASM is the lowest form of wit Oldace - you should know that. You are good at it. :rolleyes:

[waiheke1]

How dare you accuse him of making the story up.... I happen to believe him just as much as I do the OP.

[Ray Stadia]

I was telling a bloke in the pub and he fell about laughing when i told him about the old tac sub rule. He even told some other mates and they were the same. Pretty soon the whole pub was in hysterics. They all agreed never to go to speedway if this rule was ever reintroduced.

Yawn! Give it a rest Oldace, you have had your fun.....you are becoming an even greater bore!

[oldace]

Yawn! Give it a rest Oldace, you have had your fun.....you are becoming an even greater bore!

[stratton]

I was telling a bloke in the pub and he fell about laughing when i told him about the old tac sub rule. He even told some other mates and they were the same. Pretty soon the whole pub was in hysterics. They all agreed never to go to speedway if this rule was ever reintroduced.

How sad are you? when it comes to the nitty gritty of debating you have not got a clue.!!

[BWitcher]

How sad are you? when it comes to the nitty gritty of debating you have not got a clue.!!

Do you still have the opinion that 6 is more than 10?

 

Or perhaps that 6 is more than 12?

 

Or perhaps 3 is less than 2?

 

As if you believe the old tac sub rule was fairer, you believe all the above.

[skthecat]

I do know one thing....

Mention speedway to non speedway fans in a pub, you'll get the following remarks..

 

1) 4 blokes going round in circles..

 

2) The one who gets to first bend in front always wins.

 

3) Do they still have speedway..

[SCB]

I do know one thing....

Mention speedway to non speedway fans in a pub, you'll get the following remarks..

 

1) 4 blokes going round in circles..

 

2) The one who gets to first bend in front always wins.

 

3) Do they still have speedway..

Nah. You get, "I like cars too"