Objects Of Ridicule ?

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'Some' of the names may have changed? I think you will find at some meetings 'many' have changed. It may sound like nit-picking, but many forum members complain about team member inconsistency. How long will they remain fans before calling it a day? Perhaps it is a bit like the old Eric Morecombe gag 'all of the team will be riding for the Club, but not necessarily at the same meeting'.

Yet people want squads so different names. Or moan the GP is the same old riders while complaining that in league speedway the names change too often.

 

To those who responded to my original post and actually read the thing, and actually got the point, I thank you. To the rest who goodness knows where in left field they reside, with their personal and sarcastic non sequiturs, let me put it in simple terms, just for those who may be a wee bit hard of thinking.

 

I was referring to TEAM riding. Not individuals. Each rider can and does take bookings where he can get them, and good luck to them. I was talking about how a rider could turn out for one TEAM one night ( or day, ) then the very next night, turn out for another TEAM, in a different lLEAGUE. Then the very next night, turn out for yet another TEAM in, incredibly, another COUNTRY altogether. Now translate that to a footballer or whatever in your TEAM and ask yourself how it would look. As stated originally, if perhaps say, Rooney turned out for Man. U. one game, then another night for Reading, then another day for Galatasary. A farce no ?

 

My point was that it loses our sport credibility in the eyes of the general sporting public. There is, despite certain isolated cases quoted here, NO other sport where this happens to the extent that it does in speedway. Be it football, used here as an EXAMPLE, or rugby, or any TEAM sport you can think of.

 

I totally agree with the comments that it is one of the reasons why we have a dearth of home grown talent. Promoters just take anyone almost who can ride a bike to a certain degree of competence, rather than risk nurturing a young BRITISH rider. And unfortunately, this is with the blessing of the ruling body of the sport.

 

Oh and by the way, I was asked how it works.

And imagine Rooney had to buy his own football. And his own kit. And imagine if he rode a bike instead of kicked a ball. It's a different sport so it's irrelevant.

[Ray Stadia]

Yet people want squads so different names. Or moan the GP is the same old riders while complaining that in league speedway the names change too often.

 

And imagine Rooney had to buy his own football. And his own kit. And imagine if he rode a bike instead of kicked a ball. It's a different sport so it's irrelevant.

Regarding the first line, do people moan about the same riders in the GP? I am surprised. After all, to get the end result the whole series needs to be completed with all those that started, barring injury and wild cards. As for squads, you would know your own team, 1 to 16 or whatever. And there would be more chance of the team shown in the programme for the meeting, matching what was 'dished up'. Perhaps those that did not ride in the main event could ride in the second half? Now that's another issue!

[BWitcher]

To those who responded to my original post and actually read the thing, and actually got the point, I thank you. To the rest who goodness knows where in left field they reside, with their personal and sarcastic non sequiturs, let me put it in simple terms, just for those who may be a wee bit hard of thinking.

 

I was referring to TEAM riding. Not individuals. Each rider can and does take bookings where he can get them, and good luck to them. I was talking about how a rider could turn out for one TEAM one night ( or day, ) then the very next night, turn out for another TEAM, in a different lLEAGUE. Then the very next night, turn out for yet another TEAM in, incredibly, another COUNTRY altogether. Now translate that to a footballer or whatever in your TEAM and ask yourself how it would look. As stated originally, if perhaps say, Rooney turned out for Man. U. one game, then another night for Reading, then another day for Galatasary. A farce no ?

 

My point was that it loses our sport credibility in the eyes of the general sporting public. There is, despite certain isolated cases quoted here, NO other sport where this happens to the extent that it does in speedway. Be it football, used here as an EXAMPLE, or rugby, or any TEAM sport you can think of.

 

I totally agree with the comments that it is one of the reasons why we have a dearth of home grown talent. Promoters just take anyone almost who can ride a bike to a certain degree of competence, rather than risk nurturing a young BRITISH rider. And unfortunately, this is with the blessing of the ruling body of the sport.

 

Oh and by the way, I was asked how it works.

 

We read your fantasy conversation. You can find plenty of sites for fiction around the internet.

[E I Addio]

To those who responded to my original post and actually read the thing, and actually got the point, I thank you. To the rest who goodness knows where in left field they reside, with their personal and sarcastic non sequiturs, let me put it in simple terms, just for those who may be a wee bit hard of thinking.

 

I was referring to TEAM riding. Not individuals. Each rider can and does take bookings where he can get them, and good luck to them. I was talking about how a rider could turn out for one TEAM one night ( or day, ) then the very next night, turn out for another TEAM, in a different lLEAGUE. Then the very next night, turn out for yet another TEAM in, incredibly, another COUNTRY altogether. Now translate that to a footballer or whatever in your TEAM and ask yourself how it would look. As stated originally, if perhaps say, Rooney turned out for Man. U. one game, then another night for Reading, then another day for Galatasary. A farce no ?

 

My point was that it loses our sport credibility in the eyes of the general sporting public. There is, despite certain isolated cases quoted here, NO other sport where this happens to the extent that it does in speedway. Be it football, used here as an EXAMPLE, or rugby, or any TEAM sport you can think of.

 

I totally agree with the comments that it is one of the reasons why we have a dearth of home grown talent. Promoters just take anyone almost who can ride a bike to a certain degree of competence, rather than risk nurturing a young BRITISH rider. And unfortunately, this is with the blessing of the ruling body of the sport.

 

Oh and by the way, I was asked how it works.

 

How precisely does it lose the sport credibility ? Are you not aware that a cricketer can play for his county in one league and club in another? What difference does it make if he does his job and entertains the crowd.?

 

The other thing as John Leslie pointed out is the reality of this conversation with a "friend" who apparently knows about sport and has been to speedway meetings but until your "conversation " with him he apparently never questioned how come so many foreign riders were in the meeting in front of a crowd that obviously couldn't pay vast sums of money. And as a sports fan he wouldn't ever have watched it on Sky and got the gist of how it all works would he.?

 

 

I have discussed the sport with a number of general sports fans and can honestly say the only thing they have found particularly odd is the T/R rule. None of them thought it odd that riders race for different teams in different countries.

[Elephantman]

A friend asked if I knew a plumber who could look at his boiler.

 

I said "Why don't you try Bob from down the road, he always does any plumbing I need".

He said "Isn't that a bit silly? After all he's your plumber. Wouldn't it appear ludicrous if he's working for you and then doing another job for me in a different street"

I said "No. Working for me on a Monday shouldn't stop him doing an entirely unrelated job for you on Tuesday. He's just a self employed contractor and they're his own tools"

He said "Yes. you're right"

 

 

He said "I'm glad we've had this conversation"

I said "Ah, but have we really had this conversation? Or is it in your mind?"

He said "What do you mean?"

I said "Well, I've heard that sometimes that people make up pretend conversations, just to post on the internet to try to make a point that doesn't really have any substance"

Your posts really are quite objectionable and usually are an abject lesson in cynicism. The original post is typical of the questions that many people new to speedway often raise. I guess like many of the people who liked your posts, you would not know that as the chances of meeting someone new to the sport at a typical speedway meeting are slim to zero! I wonder if it is the sport that puts people off or some of the supporters?

[BWitcher]

Your posts really are quite objectionable and usually are an abject lesson in cynicism. The original post is typical of the questions that many people new to speedway often raise. I guess like many of the people who liked your posts, you would not know that as the chances of meeting someone new to the sport at a typical speedway meeting are slim to zero! I wonder if it is the sport that puts people off or some of the supporters?

Some of the supporters.. certainly the ones who feel the need to go into such detail like the OP on this topic with someone who has never seen the sport.

[Elephantman]

I have on DVD an interview with Stuart Robson after a critical heat in a close match in which he said "I have absolutely no idea what the score is." The reason was he had been out 3 times in about 5 or 6 heats and checking the score was low on his list of priorities when he had probably no more than 7 or 8 minutes between races to get himself and his bike sorted and re-focussed on his next ride before going out again. If you had any idea at all what goes on in the pits you would know why the riders, more often than not, don't necessarily know what the team score is at a particular moment in a match.

All that matters is how much they get paid which is why many race their team partners instead of racing the opposition.

[skthecat]

Does anybody out there think a rider who is a heat leader in the Elite League, should be allowed to ride in the Premier League? Its an easy buck or two isn't it surely?? Riding on the edge in the Elite league against Freddie, Woffy, Iversen etc..... to get 7/8 points on a Monday. ... then nipping over to Ipswich, have 5 easier rides and get 14/15 points, then Scunthorpe on the Friday for another 14/15 points, back to the struggle of the EL on the Monday to race ya socks off again for another 5/7 points?? Also, you've got the other side of the coin, Sam Smith in his second season in the premier league, doing reasonably well for a young-un, trying his heart out on second hand bikes to get on and then has to race against an Elite League heat leader whos got 3 bikes, mechanic and superior machinery; is that element of double downing fair????

Edited December 3, 2013 by Never to old

[albyhere]

 

We read your fantasy conversation. You can find plenty of sites for fiction around the internet.

 

So. You are calling me a liar ?

[BWitcher]

 

So. You are calling me a liar ?

Quite frankly yes.

 

"When we got around to who rides for whom".. this with a friend who clearly has little knowledge of speedway.. so why does 'who rides for whom' have any relevance to him and why would it even come up in the conversation. He won't know the names anyway.

 

Try explaining baseball to him, players can play for 4,5 even 6 teams in a season. Make sure he's sat down first though, he sounds very exciteable, wouldn't want an accident.

[albyhere]

Quite frankly yes.

 

"When we got around to who rides for whom".. this with a friend who clearly has little knowledge of speedway.. so why does 'who rides for whom' have any relevance to him and why would it even come up in the conversation. He won't know the names anyway.

 

Try explaining baseball to him, players can play for 4,5 even 6 teams in a season. Make sure he's sat down first though, he sounds very exciteable, wouldn't want an accident.

 

Astonishing. There you are in your omnipresence, not knowing me from Adam, or where I live, or who my friends are, can state quite categorically that I didn't have the conversation I quoted. You call me a liar online.

 

I have reported this to the moderators.

[BWitcher]

 

Astonishing. There you are in your omnipresence, not knowing me from Adam, or where I live, or who my friends are, can state quite categorically that I didn't have the conversation I quoted. You call me a liar online.

 

I have reported this to the moderators.

Good lad hope you've reported the others too.

 

This conversation seems a consistent one that crops up every month or two.. always the same variables... the same laughter.. cut and paste and change a few words here and there.

[Ray Stadia]

Quite frankly yes.

 

"When we got around to who rides for whom".. this with a friend who clearly has little knowledge of speedway.. so why does 'who rides for whom' have any relevance to him and why would it even come up in the conversation. He won't know the names anyway.

 

Try explaining baseball to him, players can play for 4,5 even 6 teams in a season. Make sure he's sat down first though, he sounds very exciteable, wouldn't want an accident.

Well the Minor Leagues Baseball website says the following:

 

Q. Can a player be drafted by more than one team? Can more than one team offer an undrafted player a free-agent contract?

 

A. A player may only be drafted by one Major League team in each year that he is eligible to be drafted. He has no say about which team drafts him, but he can opt to not sign with that team, and in some circumstances he may return to the pool of Draft-eligible players for the next Draft. If more than one team offers a free agent player a contract, the player may choose which Major League organization he wants to sign with. MiLB.com is in no way involved with facilitating this process for unsigned players.

[albyhere]

Good lad hope you've reported the others too.

 

This conversation seems a consistent one that crops up every month or two.. always the same variables... the same laughter.. cut and paste and change a few words here and there.

 

What the heck are you on mate ? I have no need to copy anything. I am intelligent and articulate enough to compose my own posts of my own opinions, and if you care to look I am a very infrequent user of this site. I have no clue as to what you referring to in the "copy and paste " jibe. I suggest you have an inordinately high opinion of your abilities to see things others don't. .

[BWitcher]

Well the Minor Leagues Baseball website says the following:

 

Q. Can a player be drafted by more than one team? Can more than one team offer an undrafted player a free-agent contract?

 

A. A player may only be drafted by one Major League team in each year that he is eligible to be drafted. He has no say about which team drafts him, but he can opt to not sign with that team, and in some circumstances he may return to the pool of Draft-eligible players for the next Draft. If more than one team offers a free agent player a contract, the player may choose which Major League organization he wants to sign with. MiLB.com is in no way involved with facilitating this process for unsigned players.

And?

 

Minor League Teams are individual clubs in their own right, with an affiliation to a Major League Team.

 

Players can be moved around by the Major League team as and when they want too (within certain rules). They can be called up to the Major League team, play Wednesday night, be sent back to the Minor League ( or a different one) the next day in some circumstances.

 

A Minor League team, which again is a team in its own right, playing in its own league, can have a star player, get to the playoffs of their league then see there star player disappear off to play for someone else. That's the sport, that's how it works.

 

What the heck are you on mate ? I have no need to copy anything. I am intelligent and articulate enough to compose my own posts of my own opinions, and if you care to look I am a very infrequent user of this site. I have no clue as to what you referring to in the "copy and paste " jibe. I suggest you have an inordinately high opinion of your abilities to see things others don't. .

I thought they were your friends opinions? Getting a little closer to the truth now.

 

Funnily enough, this regurgitated opening post we keep seeing always tends to come from infrequent users of the site too.

Edited December 3, 2013 by BWitcher

[E I Addio]

Your posts really are quite objectionable and usually are an abject lesson in cynicism. The original post is typical of the questions that many people new to speedway often raise.

 

 

You are completely missing the point as usual.. Please read the title of the thread. The issue is not whether it is typical of the questions people new to speedway often raise. The issue is whether riders riding in different clubs in different leagues reduce the sport to ridicule. The overwhelming balance of opinion on the thread is that it does not. As has been pointed out, many sports have their own idiosyncrasies,

Edited December 3, 2013 by E I Addio

[Alan_Jones]

 

Astonishing. There you are in your omnipresence, not knowing me from Adam, or where I live, or who my friends are, can state quite categorically that I didn't have the conversation I quoted. You call me a liar online.

 

I have reported this to the moderators.

 

Please add me to the list of people calling you a liar.

 

Thank you.

[E I Addio]

All that matters is how much they get paid which is why many race their team partners instead of racing the opposition.

 

 

Ah, so you don't know about the rule on bonus points then?

[oldace]

 

What the heck are you on mate ? I have no need to copy anything. I am intelligent and articulate enough to compose my own posts of my own opinions, and if you care to look I am a very infrequent user of this site. I have no clue as to what you referring to in the "copy and paste " jibe. I suggest you have an inordinately high opinion of your abilities to see things others don't. .

 

 

Mmmmm

[Ray Stadia]

 

 

You are completely missing the point as usual.. Please read the title of the thread. The issue is not whether it is typical of the questions people new to speedway often raise. The issue is whether riders riding in different clubs in different leagues reduce the sport to ridicule. The overwhelming balance of opinion on the thread is that it does not. As has been pointed out, many sports have their own idiosyncrasies,

A post of this type does crop up in increasing numbers, why? Because there are many fans of Speedway who are frustrated at the way the sport is going. I wouldn't say there is an overwhelming balance of opinion that does not agree with the OP. The idiosyncrasies appear to be increasing, due to the promoters trying to square the circle. Eventually, the penny will drop and some kind of 'normal' service resume or team racing will disappear. Not next year or the year after, but 'patch and mend' is not the ultimate answer.