macinter Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Doesn't change the facts though. Without the Tactical Rides - Sheffield would have won. How many Tactical Rides did Sheffield have -, by the way? None - thought not and THAT is why the Tactical Ride is so UNFAIR!! I know that folk don't like me saying this - BUT - it IS true. Well you are certainly not wrong there TWK. Whether anyone likes tactical riders or not, it is and always will be, unfair. But I should think that if anyone involved in making the rules could come up with something better it would be done immediately. The whole problem is that speedway (and other motor sports) suffer more than most, entertainment wise, when runaway wins take place so just chucking it out is not the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I don't think it's as easy to say that 'without the TR(s) team x would have beaten team y by z points' because IMO an 8-1 can have a big psychological effect on both teams and lead to a significant swing in the meeting's momentum. An 8-1 can galvanise a team who has been down and out and put the wind up a side who had been cruising. I agree that it's not always fair on non top heavy sides and appreciate why many dislike it but if it was designed to keep some meetings closer than they would be otherwise then a I'd have to say that it works quite well. I understand the point you make which was fair enough back in the days of straight win or lose when a team only had to win get 7points up in real terms on the final scoresheet in order to defeat 2 successful tacticals but now we have a scoring system which to my mind is excellent in giving a gallant loser something from the match. You haven't commented on that aspect but surely giving two bites of the cherry as we now do (through tacticals and league points) is giving a failing team too much ? And does an 8-1 really galvanise a team more than a 5-1 ? If a team is 10 points down and get a 5-1 they only have to share the remaining heats to get something out of the match. If that doesn't galvanise them they don't deserve anything IMO. Above all having t/r's in a two leg match really does seem to be a ridiculous extreme to me, and surely reduces it to a lottery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Doesn't change the facts though. Without the Tactical Rides - Sheffield would have won.Without the 5-0 in heat 13 - Sheffield would have won. Without Hugh Skidmore conking out twice in the last 4 or 5 heats - Sheffield would have won And if your auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle. The sport is full of ifs and buts and you get the odd freak result. Going back two years you've found one match where a) a tactical has been used and b.) a freak result has ensued (the two things may or may not be related) Now how many matches during those two years have we had a tactical used, but no freak result. Just a closer more interesting match? dozens? a hundred? more? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I understand the point you make which was fair enough back in the days of straight win or lose when a team only had to win geti 7points up in real terms on the final scoresheet in order to defeat 2 successful tacticals but now we have a scoring system which to my mind is excellent in giving a gallant loser something from the match. You haven't commented on that aspect but surely giving two bites of the cherry as we now do (through tacticals and league points) is giving a failing team too much ? And does an 8-1 really galvanise a team more than a 5-1 ? If a team is 10 points down and get a 5-1 they only have to share the remaining heats to get something out of the match. If that doesn't galvanise them they don't deserve anything IMO. Above all having t/r's in a two leg match really does seem to be a ridiculous extreme to me, and surely reduces it to a lottery? Can't really disagree with to much of that, I guess when all is said and done it depends on whether you (one) believe(s) more in fairness or making things more interesting for the spectator. To that end it's probably not fair that the team finishing top of the league doesn't end up as champions but most of the time it enhances the entertainment on offer. Personally I'd make it twelve or fourteen points in arrears before a TR can be used, it's a bit much to turn a ten point lead into three IMO. 12 and then 14 would be better. And not quite so galvanising / demoralising Edited December 12, 2013 by Bagpuss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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