Objects Of Ridicule ?

[stratton]

Do you still have the opinion that 6 is more than 10?

 

Or perhaps that 6 is more than 12?

 

Or perhaps 3 is less than 2?

 

As if you believe the old tac sub rule was fairer, you believe all the above.

As usual you are RIGHT, you always are,again you have never grasped what the word opinion means.On this forum i have never heard once from you that you could be WRONG! a massive weakness on your part.

[stratton]

Do you still have the opinion that 6 is more than 10?

 

Or perhaps that 6 is more than 12?

 

Or perhaps 3 is less than 2?

 

As if you believe the old tac sub rule was fairer, you believe all the above.

In all my years going when the old rule was intact,i never really heard people moaning about the tactical rule.For me it usually meant seeing the oppositions no 1 an extra time which was great.Now with this Micky mouse rule which no one likes it makes the sport look like a circus Unfair or Fair everyone has a right to a OPINION on this matter.

[oldace]

In all my years going when the old rule was intact,i never really heard people moaning about the tactical rule.For me it usually meant seeing the oppositions no 1 an extra time which was great.Now with this Micky mouse rule which no one likes it makes the sport look like a circus Unfair or Fair everyone has a right to a OPINION on this matter.

 

 

You obviously prefer the old tac sub rule, for what its worth so did I, on that we agree. That is our opinion to which we are entitled.

 

What is not opinion is the fact that the old tac sub rule was much less fair. It is simple maths that the new rule allows a potential 3 point swing in the score whereas the old rule allowed an 8 point swing. You simply can't have an opinion that 8 is less than 3 now can you

[oldace]

I do know one thing....

Mention speedway to non speedway fans in a pub, you'll get the following remarks..

 

1) 4 blokes going round in circles..

 

2) The one who gets to first bend in front always wins.

 

3) Do they still have speedway..

 

Aint that the truth. Add in "I thought that closed years ago" when mentioning Belle Vue and you have the 4 standard responses to mentioning speedway.

 

To be honest though nowadays lots of people have never heard of speedway and, as SCB says, assume it is car racing, probably because of the rise in popularity of North American car racing even though the name in that context refers to the venue rather than the sport

[BWitcher]

As usual you are RIGHT, you always are,again you have never grasped what the word opinion means.On this forum i have never heard once from you that you could be WRONG! a massive weakness on your part.

 

It's not an opinion Sidney.

 

6 is less than 10. FACT. Not opinion.

 

6 is less than 12. FACT. Not opinion.

 

3 is more than 2. FACT. Not opinion.

 

I have been wrong many times before, the difference is if I am wrong I admit it.

 

You preferred the old tac sub rule, in actual fact so did I Sidney, so did many others I'm sure. However, it was not 'fairer'.

 

 

What is not opinion is the fact that the old tac sub rule was much less fair. It is simple maths that the new rule allows a potential 3 point swing in the score whereas the old rule allowed an 8 point swing. You simply can't have an opinion that 8 is less than 3 now can you

Correct, also throw in you could use it when only 6 behind also (later changed to 8, but the classic rule folk pine for was 6) and potentially use it 3 times (even 4 in extreme circumstances)

[E I Addio]

I do know one thing....

Mention speedway to non speedway fans in a pub, you'll get the following remarks..

 

1) 4 blokes going round in circles..

 

2) The one who gets to first bend in front always wins.

 

3) Do they still have speedway..

 

When did you ever get a different response from non-speedway fans in a pub ? Maybe in the late 40's early 50's but not in my lifetime.

 

Mention football to non-football fans in a pub (e.g. me) and you get "22 overpaid prima donnas kicking a bag of wind about and behaving like kids"

 

Mention cricket to non cricket fans and you get "Boring game" and so it goes on with non- fans of golf, boxing, stock-cars etc,

 

The thing that's different about speedway is not the reaction of the non-fans its the number of so-called fans that can't wait to slag the sport off for imaginary reasons. Like the OP of this thread for example.

[stratton]

 

It's not an opinion Sidney.

 

6 is less than 10. FACT. Not opinion.

 

6 is less than 12. FACT. Not opinion.

 

3 is more than 2. FACT. Not opinion.

 

I have been wrong many times before, the difference is if I am wrong I admit it.

 

You preferred the old tac sub rule, in actual fact so did I Sidney, so did many others I'm sure. However, it was not 'fairer'.

Correct, also throw in you could use it when only 6 behind also (later changed to 8, but the classic rule folk pine for was 6) and potentially use it 3 times (even 4 in extreme circumstances)

Perfectly explained Witcher,for an a example of how this new rule is fairer i wonder what Reading fans think?

[BWitcher]

Perfectly explained Witcher,for an a example of how this new rule is fairer i wonder what Reading fans think?

They would have lost even easier under the old rules.

[The White Knight]

As regards this 'FAIR'/'UNFAIR' argument. Most people on here know that I am against any form of Tactical Ride/Tactical Substitute. They are BOTH, in my opinion UNFAIR. I argue this not from the difference between them, but, from the point of view that these Tactical Substitute/Tactical Rides BOTH have a detrimental effect on the Result of the Meeting. It is the Result at the end of the Meeting that counts. If ONE Team has a TR/TS and the other Team doesn't, I ask you, how can THAT be FAIR?

 

A poor Team gets in to a good position at Home against a top Team and all their hard work can be written off in ONE Heat and the Top Team goes on to win the Meeting - again I ask you - how can THAT be FAIR.

 

Sport, as I have said many times, is about FAIR competition - and that is the way it SHOULD be. At present Speedway 'contrives' Results - that is not only WRONG - it destroys our beloved Sport's CREDIBILITY in the eyes of the General Public as well.

[BWitcher]

Of course they are both unfair against the winning team WK. The current rules are the fairest we have ever had since a tactical facility was introduced though.

[The White Knight]

Of course they are both unfair against the winning team WK. The current rules are the fairest we have ever had since a tactical facility was introduced though.

 

 

Thank you BW.

 

That is the whole crux of my argument.

[Baldy]

As regards this 'FAIR'/'UNFAIR' argument. Most people on here know that I am against any form of Tactical Ride/Tactical Substitute. They are BOTH, in my opinion UNFAIR. I argue this not from the difference between them, but, from the point of view that these Tactical Substitute/Tactical Rides BOTH have a detrimental effect on the Result of the Meeting. It is the Result at the end of the Meeting that counts. If ONE Team has a TR/TS and the other Team doesn't, I ask you, how can THAT be FAIR?

 

A poor Team gets in to a good position at Home against a top Team and all their hard work can be written off in ONE Heat and the Top Team goes on to win the Meeting - again I ask you - how can THAT be FAIR.

 

Sport, as I have said many times, is about FAIR competition - and that is the way it SHOULD be. At present Speedway 'contrives' Results - that is not only WRONG - it destroys our beloved Sport's CREDIBILITY in the eyes of the General Public as well.

Spot on. Not the reason I don't go anymore but spot on.

[oldace]

 

 

A poor Team gets in to a good position at Home against a top Team and all their hard work can be written off in ONE Heat and the Top Team goes on to win the Meeting - again I ask you - how can THAT be FAIR.

 

 

 

 

But that's just you putting your own spin on fairness. Of course it is fair because they won under the prevailing rules.

 

You may as well question how a team can win 14 out of 15 races but lose a match, is it fair, should the team with the most race wins not win a match.

 

I actually preferred the old tac sub rule because it gave an extra dimension to team managing but I accept it often affected the result as it would have been without the changes.

 

Very rarely now (and I am aware of the 2006 play off, although wrong gate choice in heat 15 was as much to blame there) is a match result altered by a tactical ride. I dont have any figures but I would suggest that last season there were less than half a dozen times a team came back from 10 down to win.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Oldace

[The White Knight]

 

 

But that's just you putting your own spin on fairness. Of course it is fair because they won under the prevailing rules.

 

You may as well question how a team can win 14 out of 15 races but lose a match, is it fair, should the team with the most race wins not win a match.

 

I actually preferred the old tac sub rule because it gave an extra dimension to team managing but I accept it often affected the result as it would have been without the changes.

 

Very rarely now (and I am aware of the 2006 play off, although wrong gate choice in heat 15 was as much to blame there) is a match result altered by a tactical ride. I dont have any figures but I would suggest that last season there were less than half a dozen times a team came back from 10 down to win.

 

 

Are you being deliberately obtuse oldace? I thought I explained my point reasonably well.

 

It is the Rules themselves that are intrinsically UNFAIR!!!

 

..........................................THAT is the whole point of my argument.

[oldace]

 

 

Are you being deliberately obtuse oldace? I thought I explained my point reasonably well.

 

It is the Rules themselves that are intrinsically UNFAIR!!!

 

..........................................THAT is the whole point of my argument.

Thats fighting talk where I come from!

 

Luckily for you I have recently moved

[stratton]

They would have lost even easier under the old rules.

Are you sure? My take on it is i suppose you know the rules beforehand and go with it.The playoffs in football is here to stay and it is a success financially wise,do i believe a club who has got 70 pts out of a season lose to somebody who has 56 no that is not fair in my book.There is similarities in speedway and football in a way i would like the outrite champions in speedway to get rewarded but maybe there is a cup final scenario for the rest with the champions in the mix with the other 3 only a thought?Being champions over a period surely has to be rewarded,?

[The White Knight]

Thats fighting talk where I come from!

 

Luckily for you I have recently moved

 

 

You may run - but - you can't hide.

[Ray Stadia]

 

 

You may run - but - you can't hide.

Are you still a black belt 4th dan TWK? Or are you now a 5th dan?

[Tsunami]

Are you still a black belt 4th dan TWK? Or are you now a 5th dan?

He wears a black belt, but don't know why you are calling him Dan, it's Ian.

[skthecat]

 

When did you ever get a different response from non-speedway fans in a pub ? Maybe in the late 40's early 50's but not in my lifetime.

 

Mention football to non-football fans in a pub (e.g. me) and you get "22 overpaid prima donnas kicking a bag of wind about and behaving like kids"

 

Mention cricket to non cricket fans and you get "Boring game" and so it goes on with non- fans of golf, boxing, stock-cars etc,

 

The thing that's different about speedway is not the reaction of the non-fans its the number of so-called fans that can't wait to slag the sport off for imaginary reasons. Like the OP of this thread for example.

All I am saying, is theres far more people know what 22 prima dona's kicking a bag of wind about is....! Theres more chance of a non footballing fan getting to see a football match than there is a non speedway fan getting to see a speedway match.. I've been to a footy match or two... but I know footy fans that haven't been to a speedway match and say they never will...

Why is this, why are people so unwilling to give speedway a chance..? Perhaps they hear speedway fans venting their spleens all the time..!

 

Edited because I made a simple error.... used the wrong "hear" so changed it from "here" to "hear"!

Edited December 6, 2013 by Never to old