Objects Of Ridicule ?

[albyhere]

 

 

Mmmmm

 

Gawd. What an arrogant presumptious shower on here. Everybody knows your conversations and have the nerve to come out and call complete strangers " liars. " Not for me thanks. I'm off. Ta ta. Enjoy your prejudices.

[mickthemuppet]

Blame the French!

The story as I understand it is that the French used to score using a clock face, with the hands moving a quarter of the way to 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, and the game won when the hand gets back to o'clock.

Then they decided to introduce "deuce" so that a player had to win by 2 points. So they moved 45 back to 40, and introduced a 50 minute mark for the advantage.

 

 

Back to the original topic.

Denis Compton played Cricket for both Middlesex and the MCC and football for Arsenal.

Manchester United defender Arnold Sidebottom played cricket for both Yorkshire and the Orange Free State

Ian Botham played cricket for Somerset and football for Scunthorpe.

AP McCoy won 4,000 horse races, but they were different horses and belonged to different owners and different trainers!

 

But in Tennis the French do not say Deuce for 40-40 , they say egalite

Edited December 3, 2013 by mickthemuppet

[oldace]

A post of this type does crop up in increasing numbers, why? Because there are many fans of Speedway who are frustrated at the way the sport is going. I wouldn't say there is an overwhelming balance of opinion that does not agree with the OP. The idiosyncrasies appear to be increasing, due to the promoters trying to square the circle. Eventually, the penny will drop and some kind of 'normal' service resume or team racing will disappear. Not next year or the year after, but 'patch and mend' is not the ultimate answer.

 

Doubling up has existed since the late 60s/early 70s. i dont remember the sport being the "object of ridicule" back then. There are a lot of things that make speedway look amateurish but riders riding for more than one league isn't one of them.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Players can be moved around by the Major League team as and when they want too (within certain rules). They can be called up to the Major League team, play Wednesday night, be sent back to the Minor League ( or a different one) the next day in some circumstances.

A Minor League team, which again is a team in its own right, playing in its own league, can have a star player, get to the playoffs of their league then see there star player disappear off to play for someone else. That's the sport, that's how it works.

That's not even taking into account the short-season leagues that college players try out in after graduation, or the winter leagues that some go to play in during the close season.

[Ray Stadia]

 

Doubling up has existed since the late 60s/early 70s. i dont remember the sport being the "object of ridicule" back then. There are a lot of things that make speedway look amateurish but riders riding for more than one league isn't one of them.

I don't think the doubling up happened as much as it does now. It was usually where a promoter ran clubs in both divisions and wanted a good, but inexperienced rider to have a taste of the higher league and gain experience, which is fair enough. If the reality is, there just aren't enough riders out there, well surely a training/recruitment drive is necessary. Which really should be initiated by the controllers of the sport. I don't think the sport looks amateurish, in some respects, it tries to be too professional which causes the massive cost of equipment for the riders. The sport needs to regain club identity for the fans, so the fans know their riders, get behind their riders and love and cherish their Club. The same passion Football fans have.

[BWitcher]

That's not even taking into account the short-season leagues that college players try out in after graduation, or the winter leagues that some go to play in during the close season.

Spot on.

[John Leslie]

But in Tennis the French do not say Deuce for 40-40 , they say egalite

I threw in the translation free of charge. That's why I also put "15" instead of "quinze"

[E I Addio]

A post of this type does crop up in increasing numbers, why? Because there are many fans of Speedway who are frustrated at the way the sport is going. I wouldn't say there is an overwhelming balance of opinion that does not agree with the OP. The idiosyncrasies appear to be increasing, due to the promoters trying to square the circle. Eventually, the penny will drop and some kind of 'normal' service resume or team racing will disappear. Not next year or the year after, but 'patch and mend' is not the ultimate answer.

 

Let's try to concentrate on the topic under discussion..

 

The OP is not about ""speedway fans" and it is not about whether idiosyncrasies within the sport appear to be increasing. It is specifically about whether riders riding in different leagues reduce the sport to ridicule in the eyes of those on the outside. That is not a difficult concept for the average person to grasp. What fans within the sport think about other idiosyncrasies is irrelevant to this discussion.

[pugwash]

I threw in the translation free of charge. That's why I also put "15" instead of "quinze"

Depends if you're watching on Eurosport.

[Conkers in Gravy]

It's true that doubling up is nothing new. Wolves bumped along through 1976 and 77 with five riders, a bit of paper saying they had a sixth rider and Ellesmere Port's John Jackson or Boston's Rob Hollingworth (something like that anyway) and they were far from being alone in the old British League. If there had been a BSF in those days you can bet we'd have been heaping ridicule on that situation. The point is that doubling up is all too often doubling down (Jason Doyle the prime example) and has contributed to the shortage of decent British riders.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to find that the introduction of NL/young British reserves in the Elite League was an attempt to push the PL to one side in the development of riders in this country. The MDL-NL-PL-EL route that many on here favour is just too cumbersome and takes far too long.

[The White Knight]

 

Gawd. What an arrogant presumptious shower on here. Everybody knows your conversations and have the nerve to come out and call complete strangers " liars. " Not for me thanks. I'm off. Ta ta. Enjoy your prejudices.

 

 

I think the folk attacking this Poster are way out of line. What happened to criticise the Post - NOT the Poster.

 

That aside I have had a similar charge laid against me when I stated that I had been talking to friends about the Double Point Rule and how ridiculous they thought it was. Again I received slurs on here about these ficticious 'friends' - sadly - I have to report that my conversations were true.

 

I don't expect you to believe me because I don't follow the Party line on this. You may not like it but this sort of thing comes up all the time in conversations with folk who go to Speedway and those who don't. Unless, of course you only talk to those who do actually go.

 

Finally - I would like to apologise to 'catseyes' - not everyone on this Forum is as arrogant as some of those who have attacked you on this Thread. Keep Posting.

 

NOW IT'S MY TURN I SUPPOSE - GO FOR IT!!! :mad:

[Elephantman]

Gawd. What an arrogant presumptious shower on here. Everybody knows your conversations and have the nerve to come out and call complete strangers " liars. " Not for me thanks. I'm off. Ta ta. Enjoy your prejudices.

Its the way they are unfortunately; then they wonder why the majority of promoters and riders consider the BSF to be a pain in the backside and ignore the majority of posts.

[Ray Stadia]

 

 

I think the folk attacking this Poster are way out of line. What happened to criticise the Post - NOT the Poster.

 

That aside I have had a similar charge laid against me when I stated that I had been talking to friends about the Double Point Rule and how ridiculous they thought it was. Again I received slurs on here about these ficticious 'friends' - sadly - I have to report that my conversations were true.

 

I don't expect you to believe me because I don't follow the Party line on this. You may not like it but this sort of thing comes up all the time in conversations with folk who go to Speedway and those who don't. Unless, of course you only talk to those who do actually go.

 

Finally - I would like to apologise to 'catseyes' - not everyone on this Forum is as arrogant as some of those who have attacked you on this Thread. Keep Posting.

 

NOW IT'S MY TURN I SUPPOSE - GO FOR IT!!! :mad:

Well done TWK!

[BWitcher]

 

 

I think the folk attacking this Poster are way out of line. What happened to criticise the Post - NOT the Poster.

 

That aside I have had a similar charge laid against me when I stated that I had been talking to friends about the Double Point Rule and how ridiculous they thought it was. Again I received slurs on here about these ficticious 'friends' - sadly - I have to report that my conversations were true.

 

I don't expect you to believe me because I don't follow the Party line on this. You may not like it but this sort of thing comes up all the time in conversations with folk who go to Speedway and those who don't. Unless, of course you only talk to those who do actually go.

 

Finally - I would like to apologise to 'catseyes' - not everyone on this Forum is as arrogant as some of those who have attacked you on this Thread. Keep Posting.

 

NOW IT'S MY TURN I SUPPOSE - GO FOR IT!!! :mad:

If he had simply posted his opinions instead of trying to hide it behind a fictitious conversation, then further try to hide it behind the even more ridiculous claim that this person, with little interest in speedway, decided to go off and talk about something he has no interest in with others who also have no interest... and that these conversations, although the participants had no interest in the topic, were so interesting, that they ensured word got back to the original source is simply far fetched.

 

Double pts is a different issue.

[Tsunami]

I asked a guy that I know, who has never seen football, if he wanted to go to the match to see the TOON play. He agreed, but said he was puzzled about this Offside second phase rule.

[Halifaxtiger]

Quite frankly yes.

 

"When we got around to who rides for whom".. this with a friend who clearly has little knowledge of speedway.. so why does 'who rides for whom' have any relevance to him and why would it even come up in the conversation. He won't know the names anyway.

 

Try explaining baseball to him, players can play for 4,5 even 6 teams in a season. Make sure he's sat down first though, he sounds very exciteable, wouldn't want an accident.

 

I am well aware that there are those who appear to make up accounts to suit their own grievances with the sport (and that might be the case here) but experience tells me that what he originally said is plausible at least. I have certainly had football supporters taking the michael out of speedway's rules, be that guests, doubling up or whatever and I am surprised that no-one else apparently has.

 

Having someone compete for one team in a league and then on the next night for another team in the same league is so alien a concept to a football fan that it could easily be a matter for ridicule. I find that those who behave that way towards speedway are so blinkered that they are very unlikely to be persuaded otherwise or that my suggestion that offside is equally daft has some force, so I tend to ignore them.

Its the way they are unfortunately; then they wonder why the majority of promoters and riders consider the BSF to be a pain in the backside and ignore the majority of posts.

 

I'd say most of them ignore it because they don't like the often totally justified criticism they get from the considerable number of decent posters on here who care deeply about the sport.

 

Last season, I tried very hard to persuade one co-promoter to come on here and interact with fans. On the single occasion (to my knowledge) he did he attracted wide spread praise for his fairness and honesty.

 

Whoever your customers are (and lets face it, no business can choose them) treating them with arrogance and contempt is a sure fire way to disaster.

 

I don't totally agree with Bewitcher here, but Catseyes wouldn't be the first to make up a spurious post to support his own prejudices.

[Ray Stadia]

If he had simply posted his opinions instead of trying to hide it behind a fictitious conversation, then further try to hide it behind the even more ridiculous claim that this person, with little interest in speedway, decided to go off and talk about something he has no interest in with others who also have no interest... and that these conversations, although the participants had no interest in the topic, were so interesting, that they ensured word got back to the original source is simply far fetched.

 

Double pts is a different issue.

Assuming and I repeat assuming, the friend is a fictitious friend, can you blame him/her? If Cats Eyes had posted the subject as though he/she was making the point, the very forum members that have tried to belittle this topic would have hung drawn and quartered him/her! Anyone who starts a topic on the BSF is very brave! I have had my fair share of 'put downs'. Leg pulling/banter is fine, but to blatantly call someone a liar, is at the very least churlish and at worst slanderous!

[BWitcher]

Assuming and I repeat assuming, the friend is a fictitious friend, can you blame him/her? If Cats Eyes had posted the subject as though he/she was making the point, the very forum members that have tried to belittle this topic would have hung drawn and quartered him/her! Anyone who starts a topic on the BSF is very brave! I have had my fair share of 'put downs'. Leg pulling/banter is fine, but to blatantly call someone a liar, is at the very least churlish and at worst slanderous!

Not really, as there is some credence in the point Cats Eyes was trying to make.

 

I personally believe there is too much doubling up/down going on and it can have an adverse effect, however I see the reasons why.

 

Perhaps the new scheme we are seeing being implemented might be the start of a way to eliminate that. We will see.

Edited December 3, 2013 by BWitcher

[John Leslie]

I asked a guy that I know, who has never seen football, if he wanted to go to the match to see the TOON play.

And after he got back from St James's Park, he'd still never seen football

[JimiC]

Please add me to the list of people calling you a liar.

 

Thank you.

Yep, sorry, me too

 

Cheers