Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Is there any indication that we will see South African rider Byron Bekker with a club in 2014? Injury has dogged his career in recent seasons. I have checked his previous career details which are as follows - with acknowledgments and thanks to the website concerned. http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 With due respect to the site in question that career record is incomplete Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 He had an operation on his leg in June and sold most of his gear, but he kept some because he said he wants to come back if he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 With due respect to the site in question that career record is incomplete Malcolm Vasey Thank you Malcolm. I thought the career details were lacking some background to Byron Bekker's British career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 With due respect to the site in question that career record is incomplete Malcolm Vasey In what way are they incomplete?Would maybe NL level be missing?If so,it might be of interest to look at this recent thread in which Gustix has been quite active...... http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75299&page=1 I think this thread was set up with a not so well hidden agenda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 In what way are they incomplete?They are massively incomplete - as Bryon has one of the longest and team-wise, most successful careers in the history of the CL/NL. Why anyone would want deliberately to tamper with riders' career records like they do on that website is utterly beyond me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 They are massively incomplete - as Bryon has one of the longest and team-wise, most successful careers in the history of the CL/NL. Why anyone would want deliberately to tamper with riders' career records like they do on that website is utterly beyond me... How are they "tampering" with the career records? Have you taken a step back and actually thought about the time/effort involved collating this information and keeping their site updated? As has been suggested on the other topic, why don't your devote YOUR time and effort towards pulling this information together and, as has been offered by the owner of the site, supply this to them so that it can be added to the site? If you aren't willing to spend your time doing this, what right have you to criticise the fact that they don't spend their time?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Is there any indication that we will see South African rider Byron Bekker with a club in 2014? Injury has dogged his career in recent seasons. I have checked his previous career details which are as follows - with acknowledgments and thanks to the website concerned. http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/223 What is it with you, why so meddlesome, is it boredom, frustration? Either way give it a rest you sad old man. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) What is it with you, why so meddlesome, is it boredom, frustration? Either way give it a rest you sad old man. I was interested in Byron Bekker because some years ago at Wimbledon, I was introduced to him by the South African speedway journalist Ken MacLeod and former England test rider Dave Collins. I was reminded then by them that Byron was the son of a former South African rider Johnny Bekker. Byron's name again came up for me earlier today when I was visiting a site dedicated to international midget car racing. It seemed the Bekker family have an interest in the cars. That caused me to wonder if Byron was still in the UK and if so was there a chance he was considering a return to British speedway racing in 2014. This all led to my initial query in regard to him. Edited November 30, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 I was interested in Byron Bekker because some years ago at Wimbledon, I was introduced to him by the South African speedway journalist Ken MacLeod and former England test rider Dave Collins. I was reminded then by them that Byron was the son of a former South African rider Johnny Bekker. Byron's name again came up for me earlier today when I was visiting a site dedicated to international midget car racing. It seemed the Bekker family have an interest in the cars. That caused me to wonder if Byron was still in the UK and if so was there a chance he was considering a return to British speedway racing in 2014. This all led to my initial query in regard to him. For the purposes of clarity I'll continue with you. Fair enough, it's a good place to ask that question. Why did you post a link to the very site you have been trying to discredit on another thread here? Go on explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hmm, it's hardly anyone's fault other than the people who's website it is, that when a Racing Career Record site shows the complete absense of accurate info. (in this case missing out most of a rider's career!)someone is going to point out this ommission. The person pointing it out this time being the Third Tier's most distinguished historian and statistician, Mr. Vasey. And for those who've not followed the other thread, please note the people who compile this website have said it leaves out the CL/NL records not because of problems in updating these but as a deliberate policy because those behind the site regard CL/NL racing as 'junior' and of no interest. Fair enough if that's their opinion but then they need to take it on the chin when others comment on this and criticise such a premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Two things are quite obvious 1.Gustix posted this to get the website noticed for his own and Parsloes agenda 2.Parsloes should now be busy finding the missing details and supply them as we are all waiting for the site to be updated with all the deleted files as he has been challenged to do.He is so outraged at the moment,but once he can see clearly again i am sure he will meet that challnge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) For the purposes of clarity I'll continue with you. Fair enough, it's a good place to ask that question. Why did you post a link to the very site you have been trying to discredit on another thread here? Go on explain. When I made an inquiry elsewhere on the BSF in regard to Garry Havelock and his links to Poole, I was advised to use that website to find his racing background. In regard to Byron Bekker when I asked if there was a chance of him riding in 2014, I did not ask details in regard to his British clubs but followed that advice and placed the link in my message. Initially, I made no reference that his Third Tier career was not mentioned. That fact was pointed out by a much respected figure in speedway, a man who is also involved in writing and publishing speedway history data. Edited November 30, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 2.Parsloes should now be busy finding the missing details and supply them as we are all waiting for the site to be updated with all the deleted files as he has been challenged to do.He is so outraged at the moment,but once he can see clearly again i am sure he will meet that challnge Hold on, the data isn't "missing" (you're thinking of the Lost City of Altantis!!) it has been deliberately left out! As all the data on CL/NL racing and riders' records is contained in Malcolm's superbly detailed books it would actually be a simple task to update - it's not there, not because it's some strange hidden data no one can access without years of research, it's missing because that one site CHOOSES to omit it because they don't have any regard for that part of Speedway in this country. They maintain this view that it's 'junior' and not worth any consideration, even though the league racing records of the World Champion and all his team-mates in the current Team GB squad are inaccurate as a result!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) 'Course it's easy when it's someone else doing it! I take it you're turning down my offer then, Parsloes? You're not going to be the change you want to see in the world? Edited November 30, 2013 by June01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hmm, and it's easy to divert attention from the fact this data-base has deliberately omitted the league racing records of almost all current British riders, by going on about 'well you update it then'..! If the people who put together this web-site feel so strongly that the CL/NL isn't a proper league (which is exactly why they've left out the data, NOT because of the effort to find such data..) then they should stand by that. Am actually puzzled why those who hold the NL in such disdain would even be straying over to look at posts in this section of the BSF anyhow... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 So anyway, Byron, lovely bloke. Hope to see him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hmm, and it's easy to divert attention from the fact this data-base has deliberately omitted the league racing records of almost all current British riders, by going on about 'well you update it then'..! If the people who put together this web-site feel so strongly that the CL/NL isn't a proper league (which is exactly why they've left out the data, NOT because of the effort to find such data..) then they should stand by that. Am actually puzzled why those who hold the NL in such disdain would even be straying over to look at posts in this section of the BSF anyhow... Okay, I've bitten my tongue until now but... As one of the two people who are responsible for this site I have NEVER aired my views on the NL, as you keep implying, so first off, would you kindly stop assuming my opinion and belittling me. Two people - myself and Frigbo - have spent five years building up this site. The database scope was originally 1965 onwards, but Frigbo has been building on this and adding records prior to these dates, I have added rider information and meeting results, and we are gradually furthering what we offer (for FREE) as and when we can. You originally asked why the NL data wasn’t on there and were given an answer – Frigbo, who has provided (and updated continuously) the information on his own time, chose to include what interested him. No-one ever said we'd NEVER add the NL results, just that it hadn’t been on the agenda. I’ve even offered to add them if you can provide them, even though I’m busy doing other things, but you insist on making a big issue out of something which is, quite frankly, not persuading me to WANT to do it, especially after reading some of the downright nasty comments you’ve been making all over this forum. We will get around to things in our own time, we will add what the hell we want, and if you don’t like it then don’t visit it. As you said yourself, who'd want to read something they think of with such disdain? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 I was interested in Byron Bekker because some years ago at Wimbledon, I was introduced to him by the South African speedway journalist Ken MacLeod and former England test rider Dave Collins. I was reminded then by them that Byron was the son of a former South African rider Johnny Bekker. Byron's name again came up for me earlier today when I was visiting a site dedicated to international midget car racing. It seemed the Bekker family have an interest in the cars. That caused me to wonder if Byron was still in the UK and if so was there a chance he was considering a return to British speedway racing in 2014. This all led to my initial query in regard to him. Every single thread that i look at where you post always seems to end up the same way John..why is that ? Much like your post this week on the email group you had previously said you had left, this latest one here shows how you are just out to stir things up to keep yourself amused on these cold south london nights. If there is any news on Byron Bekker you'll find out when the season starts or just before i'm sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Every single thread that i look at where you post always seems to end up the same way John..why is that ? But some people seem to like them. In 1877 posts to date I have had 225 excellent responses? That's about eight percent if my maths - not a strong point - are correct. Edited December 1, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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