AndyK86 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Irrespective of you opinion of him, he was offered this facility and it has been arranged for a long time. From what I've seen on Twitter, riders who had committed to riding in his meeting intend to honour that. and can quite easily be altered a little also, The ERC is 2014, Havvy was gone a long time ago and that is where he should stay. He clearly thinks he is the best living speedway rider ever and needs to feed his ego once more ! I respect what he did in the sport and being world champion etc but his career has gone and we do not need to celebrate his career Again ! ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not at Coventry we haven't........yet. Anyway, it's an easy decision for me as I wouldn't go to his farewell meeting even if it was at Brandon and if the ERC is £25 admission because it's a BSPA event then I won't be going to that either. Sorted. Just hope they get the Airfence put up in time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I dont agree that Havvy should change the date he has planned it for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Templeton Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've just posted this on the ERC thread. Members 146 posts 0 warning points Posted Today, 09:19 PM Love him, or hate him, I feel Havvy has had a raw deal. I understand that his meeting date was announced last March. That's not far off a year ago. He has acceptances for that date. For the powers that be that declare their meeting will happen on the same day, just weeks away, is outrageous, and without respect. Of course, these "powers that be" can legitimately do what they have done. But what would be nice is that those riders affected by agreeing to ride in Havvy's meeting, and are also required to be in the ERC, would to be to say "no" to the latter, as they are already contracted (possibly only by verbal agreement) elsewhere. Any agreement, verbal or otherwise, is a contract respected by every Court in the land. I rest my case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've just posted this on the ERC thread. Members 146 posts 0 warning points Posted Today, 09:19 PM Love him, or hate him, I feel Havvy has had a raw deal. I understand that his meeting date was announced last March. That's not far off a year ago. He has acceptances for that date. For the powers that be that declare their meeting will happen on the same day, just weeks away, is outrageous, and without respect. Of course, these "powers that be" can legitimately do what they have done. But what would be nice is that those riders affected by agreeing to ride in Havvy's meeting, and are also required to be in the ERC, would to be to say "no" to the latter, as they are already contracted (possibly only by verbal agreement) elsewhere. Any agreement, verbal or otherwise, is a contract respected by every Court in the land. I rest my case. yawn ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icescot Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 why dont sky just show garys meeting from poole and avoid clash. plenty time to stage elrc later as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 yawn ! Ditto reading your last few posts its obvious you don,t think Havvy deserves a meeting but unfortunately for you a lot of fans think he does so either write something constructive or if your tired go to bed (yawn) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It can be argued he doesn't deserve another meeting and pay day but that's off topic. What people are quite clearly missing is if the dates don't change those who ride at Havvy's who are contracted to the ELC ( Ward and the like) will more than likely face a ban its that simple so all you people telling riders not to ride at the ELC obviously have no problem missing their star rider for 28 days and simply don't know the rules. It's all well and good people like Holder having a moan he isn't contracted and couldn't give a rats arse what meeting he rides in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady s Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 A lot of people are disgusted at the way the BSPA have treat Gary havelock over his farewell meeting I personally find it disgracefull that they are not allowing one of the best ambassadors of the sport this meeting .there is no loyalty to an ex world champion and all the posts that have .been on face book and some on here just shows how much Gary is respected by the fans. And who the fans are backing .i just hope the fans boycott the pointless meeting at Coventry on march the 21st .BSPA hang your heads in shame.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I honestly don't understand the plight of all the people, on here, moaning about the clash of meetings. Am I right in thinking we can only run one meeting on any specific day. Come -on there are enough riders to run both meetings , and there will be more opportunity for the supporters to go out and enjoy the meeting...... Sure Its not ideal to arrange the meetings on the same day, but as far as problems go, this must be a very small issue indeed. I wish this was the biggest problem speedway had !!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I honestly don't understand the plight of all the people, on here, moaning about the clash of meetings. Am I right in thinking we can only run one meeting on any specific day. Come -on there are enough riders to run both meetings , and there will be more opportunity for the supporters to go out and enjoy the meeting...... Sure Its not ideal to arrange the meetings on the same day, but as far as problems go, this must be a very small issue indeed. I wish this was the biggest problem speedway had !!!!!! I have been constantly saying this, I can understand Gary being frustrated and its not ideal but I see no reason why both meetings cant have a quality line up AND good crowds. Maybe the bspa could donate a quid or two from every admission to the ERC or arrange collection buckets at Coventry, I would certainly contribute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I honestly don't understand the plight of all the people, on here, moaning about the clash of meetings. Am I right in thinking we can only run one meeting on any specific day. Come -on there are enough riders to run both meetings , and there will be more opportunity for the supporters to go out and enjoy the meeting...... Sure Its not ideal to arrange the meetings on the same day, but as far as problems go, this must be a very small issue indeed. I wish this was the biggest problem speedway had !!!!!! although i dont agree with the bspa decision there is a massive over reaction to it all. speedway has far bigger issues then for a rider who has already had his testimonial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) It can be argued he doesn't deserve another meeting and pay day but that's off topic. What people are quite clearly missing is if the dates don't change those who ride at Havvy's who are contracted to the ELC ( Ward and the like) will more than likely face a ban its that simple so all you people telling riders not to ride at the ELC obviously have no problem missing their star rider for 28 days and simply don't know the rules. It's all well and good people like Holder having a moan he isn't contracted and couldn't give a rats arse what meeting he rides in. t has been said that as this is the ERC not the ELRC it is now an open meeting and riders are selected by invitation, in which case there is no obligation to ride. Whether this is fact I do not know for sure. Anyway what's the fuss. Both meetings will be rained off anyway being in March. I have heard that summer is due to be 2nd August this year. Edited February 1, 2014 by Pirate Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 t has been said that as this is the ERC not the ELRC it is now an open meeting and riders are selected by invitation, in which case there is no obligation to ride. Whether this is fact I do not know for sure. Anyway what's the fuss. Both meetings will be rained off anyway being in March. I have heard that summer is due to be 2nd August this year. It is still a BSPA shared event which means certain riders will be contracted to ride in it. same as the fours or the pairs. those outside the elite league will not be obliged to ride as the rest is invitation only. can only see this affecting Ward realy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I really fail to see what all the fuss is about. Sure it's not ideal, but the reality is, having to make sacrifices like this are part and parcel of the fact that the sport has signed a new tv deal. If Sky want to show a tv meeting, that they are contractually entitled to show, and require that meeting to be re-scheduled to a day that suits their needs then that's all there is to it. That's one of the sacrifices you have to make if you want Sky to show the sport. I do feel sorry for Gary, but I suspect even he (and let's not forget he has done significant amounts of work for Sky over the years) appreciates the BSPA's obligation to meet the needs of their broadcast partner. No-one has said Gary Havelock cannot have a farewell meeting. No-one has said riders will have to chose between both meetings. The only thing that could have been done better, perhaps, would have been to have had dialogue and agreement with Gary before the change of date, which would have enabled the BSPA to make the statement they made yesterday about the clash of dates at the same time as the broadcast announcement. I have no idea about the availability of Wimbourne Road but surely the best arrangement would be to move Gary's meeting to the Wednesday before the ELRC. That way, any riders who may have been affected by the clash of dates between the two meetings can do both. The GP superstars (who, let's face it, are predominantly going to be using the meetings for testing and track time) get an extra meeting and Gary should still get a decent crowd being as the meeting will be on Poole's traditional race night. In fact, it could work to the advantage of both parties as riders might be more inclined to travel over to the UK with vans and bikes if there was the possibility of doing 2 meetings instead of 1. Any incurred costs involved with the change of dates could be met by the BSPA. Edited February 1, 2014 by G the Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Just move the Mickey Mouse meeting...simples.....they can have the ELRC anytime No-one has said Gary Havelock cannot have a farewell meeting. A few here have insinuated it though. Surely if a former English world champion who captained the England side and has given a ton to the sport including his help in establishing Redcar as a PL team can't have a meeting to say goodbye to one of the countries brightest talents after a cruel injury ended his career then what exactly is the point of this stupid sport? Maybe he is skint but the guy deserves every penny and every accolade he gets. Same with Mark Loram, PC or Wuffy. If they need a bit of help sometime I would hope the sport would stand up and be counted for them. Of course the same applies to any injured rider but Havvy is something special even among that special breed known as the speedway rider. He gave plenty to the sport so don't begrudge him this. Hell didn't one of the Aussies have a 'Farewell' tour of Britain and a meeting and then came back and rode again and I don't recall anyone getting on his back? I won't be there but wish him a full house and a great night. A great servant to speedway surely whether you like him or not? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) BSPA's Jon Cook now trying to deflect the blame onto Terry Russell for agreeing to the date switch with Sky!! www.bournemouthecho.co.uk Its almost as if Go-Speed weren't acting on behalf of the BSPA?! Oh wait a minute..............!!!? Oh and Terry Russell 'unavailable for comment'!! And Matt Ford out of the country on hols!!! Sneaky, very sneaky. Edited February 1, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I have the perfect solution-move Gary`s meeting to Thursday 20th March-no other meetings in Uk on that date-Poole stadium available-Sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Dont think people are begrudging him a meeting but the sport is almost in the gutter and sky have stepped in again with a 5 year deal. Unfortunatly Sky will call the shots and the BSPA will have to move with them or risk them pulling the plug their hands are tied on this one. The ELC is not a mickey mouse meeting it used to have a great standing. What better way to introduce the sport to newcomers on sky with an individual with 16 top class riders should be a good advert for the sport. Lets be honest Havvy has had a testimonial and has not ridden for 18 months or so. Yes his date was arranged first but i cant see why the fuss about moving it. The sport needs to think more long term here. If the BSPA try to stand up to sky over this then cant see Sky being to impressed with it to be honest. It basically just isnt a good situation and nobody is the winner here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I have the perfect solution-move Gary`s meeting to Thursday 20th March-no other meetings in Uk on that date-Poole stadium available-Sorted.Except that he has friends, riders and sponsors, some of whom have arranged time from other things to come from all over the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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