Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I thought that the ERC was to be an invitational event containing some non-EL riders? Surely that would mean that riders were free to refuse an invitation. Im led to believe that the top average rider from each side is contracted to ride unless as happens most seasons injuries occur. Instead of having lesser averaged riders they have opened up the rest of the field as invites. (though one of the lesser averaged riders in Schlein has won it twice in the last 3 years). I would imagine if the likes of Ward , Iversen , Tai dont ride at the ELC for any other reason than a doctors note they would face a fine or a ban. As stated i dont agree with what the Bspa have done to Havvy but there may be 1 or 2 riders in problems if dates arent changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Im led to believe that the top average rider from each side is contracted to ride unless as happens most seasons injuries occur. Instead of having lesser averaged riders they have opened up the rest of the field as invites. (though one of the lesser averaged riders in Schlein has won it twice in the last 3 years). I would imagine if the likes of Ward , Iversen , Tai dont ride at the ELC for any other reason than a doctors note they would face a fine or a ban. As stated i dont agree with what the Bspa have done to Havvy but there may be 1 or 2 riders in problems if dates arent changed Contracted to ride, since when? Rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerald tyke Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23713 The British Speedway Promoters Association are currently dealing with the clash of dates between the Elite Riders’ Championship at Coventry on Friday March 21, and Gary Havelock’s Farewell meeting at Poole. Representatives of the BSPA have been in touch with Gary, and we will continue to work with Poole Speedway and Gary to find the best possible alternative. The BSPA acknowledge what a fine servant Gary has been to his British clubs throughout his career. Why should Havvy have to find an alternative date? He chose and planned for this date since last year!! Its only since the Sky tv deal was finalised that they "picked" this date, after it being originally supposed to be staged on sunday 23rd ....it shows total disrespect for a BRITISH W/C and I hope it rains in Coventry!! ...Maybe when Sky see the forecast they may move onto Poole Edited January 31, 2014 by emerald tyke 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Contracted to ride, since when? Rubbish.Think you will find that the BSPA contracts for the Elite and Premier leagues state that the riders must make themselves available if required for the BSPA promoted(shared) events which obviously includes the ELRC and PLRC-that's why the BSPA started fineing riders for pulling out of these meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Think you will find that the BSPA contracts for the Elite and Premier leagues state that the riders must make themselves available if required for the BSPA promoted(shared) events which obviously includes the ELRC and PLRC-that's why the BSPA started fineing riders for pulling out of these meetings.There isn't an ELRC. You can't have a meeting where half the field are invites and the other half are compelled to enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Think you will find that the BSPA contracts for the Elite and Premier leagues state that the riders must make themselves available if required for the BSPA promoted(shared) events which obviously includes the ELRC and PLRC-that's why the BSPA started fineing riders for pulling out of these meetings. But its not a case of them pulling out, its a case of them already agreeing to ride in Havvys meeting, which was arranged moons ago, untill Sky stuck their oar in, and changed the date, very convieniently, and the BSPA folded like a pack of cards.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 But its not a case of them pulling out, its a case of them already agreeing to ride in Havvys meeting, which was arranged moons ago, untill Sky stuck their oar in, and changed the date, very convieniently, and the BSPA folded like a pack of cards.. So, let me give you the scenario where there's a big meeting in Denmark say, riders have been asked and accepted their invitations. It so happens it clashes with a Sky match in UK which has been re-arranged at 6 weeks notice. The riders are contracted to ride for their UK Elite league side, but they've also signed contracts to ride in the individual meeting in Denmark. What should the riders do ? Let's see if you're points remain consistent when you remove Poole from the equation. Rico 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why i'l tell you why darling. You may have no affinity or he means squat to you, but Garry has been an ambassitor a staunch GB international and World Champion of our sport. Now, im not a fan of Testimonials fairwell meetings Goodbye meetings and kiiss me backside meetings, because if you went to your employer after 10 years service and said excuss me, ive worked here for 10 years now, could i have a bonus, i'll tell you what they'd say, and the second words orf... But for Sky and the BSAP to treat Garry as i said, an Ambassitor and British World Champion who rode his nuts off for Team GB's cause in the 2004 World cup final is nothing short of Shambolic. Personally, certain members of the BSPA have lost it to cave in to Skys demands when Havvys date had been lined up for a very long time now, they are nothing short of whimps. IMO every rider who has been invited to Havvys bash should still stand their ground and attend the meeting. Because Sky have just anounced a new 5 year deal, they just think they can mussle Havvys bash out the way, its almost blackmail, and im very sure those in the sky sports circles knew, that Havvys date was on that Friday. As for Nigel Pearson critisising fans for moving the ELC to the same date is folly, he really is barking up the wrong tree. But then, he's paid by Sky... Can't argue with any of that. Havvy has been a great servant to British Speedway, only retiring due to a bad injury that may well leave him severely disabled. Can' t understand some British fans who don't see the need to support him and yet at the same time those same fans line up to kiss the feet of foreign riders like Hancock who took the money for years then turned his back his on British Speedway when it was struggling. BSPA should be ashamed of themselves and pick up any losses the Havvy makes if he has to re arrange his long standing meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Can't argue with any of that. Havvy has been a great servant to British Speedway, only retiring due to a bad injury that may well leave him severely disabled. Can' t understand some British fans who don't see the need to support him and yet at the same time those same fans line up to kiss the feet of foreign riders like Hancock who took the money for years then turned his back his on British Speedway when it was struggling. BSPA should be ashamed of themselves and pick up any losses the Havvy makes if he has to re arrange his long standing meeting. Appart from the part about Greg, which is in the past, but i couldn't fault his attitude and commitment for us last season, even if it did cost Matt. I totally agree with your post.. As i said in a previous post, im not a fan of Testimonial meetings Fairwell meetings Goodbye meetings, and kiss me backside meetings. But in this instance Havvy deserves one.. Edited January 31, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Havvy deserved better that this Some Mickey Mouse meeting that could be held anytime spoils his long planned big day. Bloody shameful Edited January 31, 2014 by pandorum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Contracted to ride, since when? Rubbish. Look im all for HAVVY HAVING HIS MEETING. im in total disagreement with what the BSPA have done dont get me wrong But facts are facts they are contracted to ride in bspa shared events its quite simple. Would the Poole fans be quite so vocal if it was another rider at another track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Look im all for HAVVY HAVING HIS MEETING. im in total disagreement with what the BSPA have done dont get me wrong But facts are facts they are contracted to ride in bspa shared events its quite simple. Would the Poole fans be quite so vocal if it was another rider at another track? Under the same circumtances, yes. Because it shouldn't be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Don`t understand this Havvy farewell bit. Wheres he going ? Surely we`ve said farewell to him ages ago. Not at Coventry we haven't........yet. Anyway, it's an easy decision for me as I wouldn't go to his farewell meeting even if it was at Brandon and if the ERC is £25 admission because it's a BSPA event then I won't be going to that either. Sorted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why don't the BSPA/Sky make a donation to Havvys fund to make up for any loss of earnings due to this unfortunate turn on events? A few grand is hardly going to kill the BPSA now is it with there multi year Sky deal all signed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Its simple, move the Havelock meeting to anoither date. it happens all the time with the weather and at shorter notice. riders will want track time and will probably do both, cant see what the fuss is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Its simple, move the Havelock meeting to anoither date. it happens all the time with the weather and at shorter notice. riders will want track time and will probably do both, cant see what the fuss is about. Not that simple I'm afraid. Rider availability on another Date could be a huge problem for Havvy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I see Chris Holder is saying he WILL be at Havvy's meeting, on Twitter and Darcy is hinting that he will too. The ERC might end up being a bit of a damp squib. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I see Chris Holder is saying he WILL be at Havvy's meeting, on Twitter and Darcy is hinting that he will too. The ERC might end up being a bit of a damp squib. Good!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Havvy deserved better that this Some Mickey Mouse meeting that could be held anytime spoils his long planned big day. Bloody shameful Sky have an open slot on that friday evening so they want it then, Simples. Havvy has had a testimonial already and quite simply i see no need for a farewell meeting a full year and half after he has retired and gone into management ! People might not like it but Havvy is not god and can quite easily alter his meeting for the good of the sport but he won't because he is so far up his own arse and yes i would happily tell him face to face. He really must be skint in order to want another meeting. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Sky have an open slot on that friday evening so they want it then, Simples. Havvy has had a testimonial already and quite simply i see no need for a farewell meeting a full year and half after he has retired and gone into management ! People might not like it but Havvy is not god and can quite easily alter his meeting for the good of the sport but he won't because he is so far up his own arse and yes i would happily tell him face to face. He really must be skint in order to want another meeting. Irrespective of you opinion of him, he was offered this facility and it has been arranged for a long time. From what I've seen on Twitter, riders who had committed to riding in his meeting intend to honour that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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