Pirate Nick Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunatly Darcy has a prior booking on that day and so will be unavailable for the hastily rearranged Elite Riders Championship. At least I hope that's how the press release will read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 They wouldn't be able to stop it as it was on the calendar months before the ERC was moved and they also wouldn't be able to ban riders who would have already signed up for Havvys meeting. If they did attempt to stop Havvys meeting going ahead they could find it very expensive through the courts with money already paid out for flights and hotels. The BSPA have their own rules and who booked what first doesnt come into it. You cant run an event on the same day as a shared event unless they bend the rules in this case. Im not advocating what the bspa have done because its wrong and Havvy should get his day but to be so blinkered just to say ' the riders will ride for Havvy' shows lack of insight into what may happen. Riders can ride at Havvys but they risk a ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunatly Darcy has a prior booking on that day and so will be unavailable for the hastily rearranged Elite Riders Championship. At least I hope that's how the press release will read! Absolutely. If he has signed up for Havvy then the BSPA don't have a legal leg to stand on by moving their event at such short notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Did Havvy ever think of the fans when he tried to get meetings called off every time a drop of rain fell on an away track(us Newcastle fans have long memories) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Absolutely. If he has signed up for Havvy then the BSPA don't have a legal leg to stand on by moving their event at such short notice. Are you sure about that? I would have thought the ERC would be an official fixture, Havvy's meeting is for all intents and purpose a 'friendly'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Havelock has never really been my cup of tea but he's been crapped on from a great height here, poor show from the BSPA & Sky. Hopefully a solution can be found as we want the best riders at both events and no doubt the GP boys will want to ride in both to get ready for NZ. Edited January 31, 2014 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Absolutely. If he has signed up for Havvy then the BSPA don't have a legal leg to stand on by moving their event at such short notice. not a dig at Poole or you but that statement is incorrect Edited January 31, 2014 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Don`t understand this Havvy farewell bit. Wheres he going ? Surely we`ve said farewell to him ages ago. Not sure either when he is still in speedway and managing the bees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Explain to me why " Everybody needs to show at Havvy's bash" ? Why do they? He's a Speedway rider who I have absolutely no affinity to. Why should I go to Poole to a meeting for a bloke that means squat to me? Why i'l tell you why darling. You may have no affinity or he means squat to you, but Garry has been an ambassitor a staunch GB international and World Champion of our sport. Now, im not a fan of Testimonials fairwell meetings Goodbye meetings and kiiss me backside meetings, because if you went to your employer after 10 years service and said excuss me, ive worked here for 10 years now, could i have a bonus, i'll tell you what they'd say, and the second words orf... But for Sky and the BSAP to treat Garry as i said, an Ambassitor and British World Champion who rode his nuts off for Team GB's cause in the 2004 World cup final is nothing short of Shambolic. Personally, certain members of the BSPA have lost it to cave in to Skys demands when Havvys date had been lined up for a very long time now, they are nothing short of whimps. IMO every rider who has been invited to Havvys bash should still stand their ground and attend the meeting. Because Sky have just anounced a new 5 year deal, they just think they can mussle Havvys bash out the way, its almost blackmail, and im very sure those in the sky sports circles knew, that Havvys date was on that Friday. As for Nigel Pearson critisising fans for moving the ELC to the same date is folly, he really is barking up the wrong tree. But then, he's paid by Sky... Edited January 31, 2014 by Starman2006 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why i'l tell you why darling. You may have no affinity or he means squat to you, but Garry has been an ambassitor and World Champion of our sport. Now, im not a fan of Testimonials fairwell meetings Goodbye meetings and kiiss me backside meetings, because if you went to your employer after 10 years service and said excuss me, ive worked here for 10 years now, could i have a bonus, i'll tell you what they'd say, and the second words orf... But for Sky and the BSAP to treat Garry as i said, an Ambassitor and British World Champion who rode his nuts of for Team GB's cause in the 2004 World cup final is nothing short of Shambolic. Personally, certain members of the BSPA have lost it to cave in to Skys demands when Havvys date had been lined up for a very long time now, they are nothing short of whimps. IMO every rider who has been invited to Havvys bash should still stand their ground and attend the meeting. Because Sky have just anounced a new 5 year deal, they just think they can mussle Havvys bash out the way, its almost blackmail, and im very sure those in the sky sports circles knew, that Havvys date was on that Friday. As for Nigel Pearson critisising fans for moving the ELC to the same date is folly, he really is barking up the wrong tree. But then, he's paid by Sky... It's certainly 'kicking off' on here. My views on Televised Speedway don't seem so daft now - DO THEY?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Anyone know when the new re-arranged date for Havelock's pension bonus meeting will be announced? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Chris Holder will be riding in Havvys meeting. Very likely because he, like the vast majority of GP riders, want all the track time they can get in preparation for the GPs. It won't be because of any affinity to Gary Havelock. Pretty sure if he, and others, told the truth they would prefer to ride in both ERC and Havvys meeting....more track time to get engine set ups right etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why i'l tell you why darling. You may have no affinity or he means squat to you, but Garry has been an ambassitor a staunch GB international and World Champion of our sport. Now, im not a fan of Testimonials fairwell meetings Goodbye meetings and kiiss me backside meetings, because if you went to your employer after 10 years service and said excuss me, ive worked here for 10 years now, could i have a bonus, i'll tell you what they'd say, and the second words orf... But for Sky and the BSAP to treat Garry as i said, an Ambassitor and British World Champion who rode his nuts off for Team GB's cause in the 2004 World cup final is nothing short of Shambolic. Personally, certain members of the BSPA have lost it to cave in to Skys demands when Havvys date had been lined up for a very long time now, they are nothing short of whimps. IMO every rider who has been invited to Havvys bash should still stand their ground and attend the meeting. Because Sky have just anounced a new 5 year deal, they just think they can mussle Havvys bash out the way, its almost blackmail, and im very sure those in the sky sports circles knew, that Havvys date was on that Friday. As for Nigel Pearson critisising fans for moving the ELC to the same date is folly, he really is barking up the wrong tree. But then, he's paid by Sky... Once again it is likely riders who boycott the ELC like Ward will get a 28 day ban so why would you suggest a boycott!. What the BSPA have done is wrong of that there is no doubt but if the BSPA stand on their own rules it will be Havvy that needs to change his date. Its fine riders like Holder moaning about it as he isnt in the ERC and would have nothing to lose by riding for Havvy. Its the riders like Ward and Cook who want to do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Once again it is likely riders who boycott the ELC like Ward will get a 28 day ban so why would you suggest a boycott!. What the BSPA have done is wrong of that there is no doubt but if the BSPA stand on their own rules it will be Havvy that needs to change his date. Its fine riders like Holder moaning about it as he isnt in the ERC and would have nothing to lose by riding for Havvy. Its the riders like Ward and Cook who want to do both. Why would they get a ban when they've already commited to a meeting and the date was set? no wrong doing there.. Sky are in the wrong and they know it, they moved THEIR date... And if the BSPA have a pair they will back the riders... Edited January 31, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23713 The British Speedway Promoters Association are currently dealing with the clash of dates between the Elite Riders’ Championship at Coventry on Friday March 21, and Gary Havelock’s Farewell meeting at Poole.Representatives of the BSPA have been in touch with Gary, and we will continue to work with Poole Speedway and Gary to find the best possible alternative.The BSPA acknowledge what a fine servant Gary has been to his British clubs throughout his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23713 The British Speedway Promoters Association are currently dealing with the clash of dates between the Elite Riders’ Championship at Coventry on Friday March 21, and Gary Havelock’s Farewell meeting at Poole. Representatives of the BSPA have been in touch with Gary, and we will continue to work with Poole Speedway and Gary to find the best possible alternative. The BSPA acknowledge what a fine servant Gary has been to his British clubs throughout his career. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why would they get a ban when they've already commited to a meeting and the date was set? no wrong doing there.. Sky are in the wrong and they know it, they moved THEIR date... And if the BSPA have a pair they will back the riders... I agree in principle with what you are saying and yes the bspa are 100% wrong in what they have done. However if the bspa stick to their guns (which i hope they dont) they can effectively ban riders who ride in Havvys not the ELC. It shouldnt happen and hopefully some sort of common sense will prevail. Its irrevelent that Havvys meeting was pencilled in first as unfortunatly a Bspa shared event will take prcedence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I agree in principle with what you are saying and yes the bspa are 100% wrong in what they have done. However if the bspa stick to their guns (which i hope they dont) they can effectively ban riders who ride in Havvys not the ELC. It shouldnt happen and hopefully some sort of common sense will prevail. Its irrevelent that Havvys meeting was pencilled in first as unfortunatly a Bspa shared event will take prcedenceI thought that the ERC was to be an invitational event containing some non-EL riders? Surely that would mean that riders were free to refuse an invitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 From the new BSPA statement it would seem someone has started to panic!!! If the BSPA start to play tough and threaten rider bans, I don't think that will go down too well with Sky who will then be missing several, yes several, of the top riders from the first weeks of its EL coverage. People don't seem to have grasped that the newly-named and newly-formatted ERC is now intended to be an 'open' meeting - not just involving current EL riders!!! So it is entirely likely that invitations will have gone out to many of the same riders that have already agreed to ride for Havvy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 People don't seem to have grasped that the newly-named and newly-formatted ERC is now intended to be an 'open' meeting - not just involving current EL riders!!! So it is entirely likely that invitations will have gone out to many of the same riders that have already agreed to ride for Havvy. Open meeting? I think you mean pre-GP test session. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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