Starman2006 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Surely the bspa will be the losers here. How many are going to goto Coventry when it's now on TV. Fans will goto Poole and record the ERC. Spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 It certainly seems that Havvy see's it as a personal slur. I have no feelings about his meeting either way, I wouldn't have been travelling to Poole to see him. I can't help sensing the irony in it all though ............. Edit..Who has been named as taking part in his farewell meeting? Only one way round this my little Flower. Everybody needs to show at Havvys bash. Why do they? Why the Hell should Sky suddenly decide they want to change dates so it coincides with Havvys Bash. Surely somebody must have thought, hang on, its Havvys bash that night, your not going to tell me nobody knew? That has been on the agenda for some time now. I fully sympathise with Havvy. Explain to me why " Everybody needs to show at Havvy's bash" ? Why do they? He's a Speedway rider who I have absolutely no affinity to. Why should I go to Poole to a meeting for a bloke that means squat to me? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Think the elr was put on this date as sky don't want live speedway at the weekend. Money talks but here's a thought. Cancel the Erc maybe then fall out with sky, they pull the plug on the deal. So everyone go to havvys meeting as it's the last time you get to see "top riders" in this country. A five year deal is more important to the future of British speedway that 1 rider. I had no intention on going to havvys meeting but will still go to the ERC , I also remember last year the BSPA had to change the date of this meeting as Poland put on a meeting and took top riders, yet not much mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm not one of Havvy's fans as such. He never rode for one of "my" clubs and in the 07-10 period he often rode against us...however he is British, and he is a former world champion, and deserves respect for that. What has been done shows nothing but utter contempt for Havvy and is a disgrace to the sport and to the individuals concerned with the making of that decision. It will leave top riders torn between which event to ride in and will leave the public with two diluted events, one of which (the wrong one) being televised as well. Maybe the Speedway Star could do some investigative journalism to see why the ERC was rescheduled to try to sabotage Havvy's farewell in this disgraceful manner? Should make a good story, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 im with Jacques on this one...yes, he was a british world champ....22 yrs ago..hes already had a testimonial, and if fans have no connection with him one way or the other, whats wrong with that? and ok, if the people who say hes English, and been a world champ, then YOU go along and pack the terraces for him... its called freedom of choice, and competition..now lets see how romoters can promote, instead of just giving in cos another match is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Reading between the lines, Darcy not happy the ERC is an open field and is likely, along with Holder to ride Havvy's meeting as already pre booked. Those 2 alone could back the BSPA into a corner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Reading between the lines, Darcy not happy the ERC is an open field and is likely, along with Holder to ride Havvy's meeting as already pre booked. Those 2 alone could back the BSPA into a corner If the ERC is an open field then its even more reason to think both meetings can happen on the same night. Im not a fan of the idea that guest riders can be in the event but it does solve the issue of rider availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Reading between the lines, Darcy not happy the ERC is an open field and is likely, along with Holder to ride Havvy's meeting as already pre booked. Those 2 alone could back the BSPA into a corner Trouble is, if the ERC is a BSPA event and Ward is asked to ride in it, says "No" and rides in Havvy's meet, he could be in for a 28 day ban, could he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Trouble is, if the ERC is a BSPA event and Ward is asked to ride in it, says "No" and rides in Havvy's meet, he could be in for a 28 day ban, could he not? I guess it depends how the Bspa want to set the meeting up. Id guess it would be the top averaged rider from each team then 6 guests? If thats the case I think Darcy will have to ride in it or get some sort of fine/ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 As somebody who normally tries to understand the BSPA's point of view and is no particular fan of Havelock I have to say that I think this is a bloody disgusting way to treat him. Obviously we have no idea what went on between the BSPA and Sky but there had to be some way to work around this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 And you think the GP boys won't be testing engines at the relatively worthless ELRC? They will as they always do, and that is why events such as these aren't worth attending, as the riders don't give a toss about giving the paying public value for money and entertainment, all they are interested in is sorting themselves out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Don`t understand this Havvy farewell bit. Wheres he going ? Surely we`ve said farewell to him ages ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 C'mon Havvy, annoy the BSPA and announce some massive riders to ride in your Farewell.Sayfutdinov, Gollob, Rickardsson, Pedersen, Hancock and coMake the ERC worthless just as they have tried to make your meeting! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Reading between the lines, Darcy not happy the ERC is an open field and is likely, along with Holder to ride Havvy's meeting as already pre booked. Those 2 alone could back the BSPA into a corner Here's my take on reading between the lines. Certain promoter/manager had a word in someones ear and that someone now has more loyalty to a rider he never rode with, didn't ride for and isn't even the same nationality as he does for his fellow Aussie, ex team mate, twin and an American who was his best buddy less than 6 months ago. Doubt there will be many other chances this season for Poole to promote the turbo twins and possibly Hancock. Ford is a good promoter and knows if he has big names at the first meeting of 2014 (even tho he should get no financial gain from it), he gets good publicity, and possibly a few people who attend will come back for league racing. Ford and Poole will get nothing from the ERC. My guess is both Holder and Hancock will be "invited" to ride in the ERC, whether they choose to do so however????. Ford's a clever bloke but he's not a team player. Poole first, Poole second and BSPA somewhere in the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 C'mon Havvy, annoy the BSPA and announce some massive riders to ride in your Farewell. Sayfutdinov, Gollob, Rickardsson, Pedersen, Hancock and co Make the ERC worthless just as they have tried to make your meeting! At least 2 of the above are/were on the cards!!!! I think the issue here is whether any of the EL riders already lined up for Havvy's meeting will have the b***s to take the BSPA on?! Also if any of the 'non-2014 EL guests' that the newly formatted and newly named ERC was hoping to attract eg the likes of Hancock, Holder, Lindgren etc., are prepared to stand up and be counted?! There is quite a lot of fans on social media that are calling for Havvy and his booked riders to carry on with it on 21st!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Looks like Ward is going to be at Havvy Farewell so one in the eye for the elc. With Holder also riding at Poole plus a few other big names, this event looks like it's going to P all over the event at Coventry. Shame on the BSPA for rearranging this fixture to clash. Never mind plenty of riders at the ERC like Auty, Barker, North, mads k and fans favourite Woodward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will Poole be allowed to host a meeting on the same day as a shared event ? In the past clubs have been refused permission to race (e,g, iirc Glasgow were not allowed to race when the 4s were being run). Interesting times (and lots of sabre rattling) ahead. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Here's my take on reading between the lines. Certain promoter/manager had a word in someones ear and that someone now has more loyalty to a rider he never rode with, didn't ride for and isn't even the same nationality as he does for his fellow Aussie, ex team mate, twin and an American who was his best buddy less than 6 months ago. Doubt there will be many other chances this season for Poole to promote the turbo twins and possibly Hancock. Ford is a good promoter and knows if he has big names at the first meeting of 2014 (even tho he should get no financial gain from it), he gets good publicity, and possibly a few people who attend will come back for league racing. Ford and Poole will get nothing from the ERC. My guess is both Holder and Hancock will be "invited" to ride in the ERC, whether they choose to do so however????. Ford's a clever bloke but he's not a team player. Poole first, Poole second and BSPA somewhere in the distance. Chris Holder will be riding in Havvys meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Will Poole be allowed to host a meeting on the same day as a shared event ? In the past clubs have been refused permission to race (e,g, iirc Glasgow were not allowed to race when the 4s were being run). Interesting times (and lots of sabre rattling) ahead. Rico They wouldn't be able to stop it as it was on the calendar months before the ERC was moved and they also wouldn't be able to ban riders who would have already signed up for Havvys meeting. If they did attempt to stop Havvys meeting going ahead they could find it very expensive through the courts with money already paid out for flights and hotels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 BSPA have cocked up here but are under huge pressure no doubt from Sky to run the meeting on the day sky want. Im pretty sure you cant run an individual on the same date as a shared event so Havvy will have to change if thats the case. Like the Poole fans saying Darcy will ride at Havvy's!!! If he doesnt ride at the ERC he will more than likely get a 28 day ban so why would you not want him to ride?/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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