Bbc Sports Personality Of The Year

[pugwash]

Can see places in that list but no figures ..have you got eurosport ones and the worldwide as well ..many thanks

 

Tai would have been nominated on Eurosport .

[StevePark]

I don't have any great love for tennis either, but I accept a lot of people watch it and the main protagonists are celebrities as a result. Is sailing really a mainstream sport - probably not, but I suspect that a surprising number of people have some interest in it, and it's something that Britain is also quite successful at. Yes, the Americas Cup is just a billionaires' orgy and it's a joke that Ben Ainslie is nominated on the fact of being a technical advisor, but I suspect there are some wildcards amongst the nominees to lead the viewers to the 'correct' choice.

 

At least Britain has some tradition of sailing, unlike cycling. This was a sport with hardly any pedigree or coverage in the UK, and yet two 'British' Tour de France winners later and there are suddenly hordes of lycra-clad individuals causing traffic jams on the country's highways.

 

 

 

Completely and utterly wrong.

[Tsunami]

I don't have any great love for tennis either, but I accept a lot of people watch it and the main protagonists are celebrities as a result. Is sailing really a mainstream sport - probably not, but I suspect that a surprising number of people have some interest in it, and it's something that Britain is also quite successful at. Yes, the Americas Cup is just a billionaires' orgy and it's a joke that Ben Ainslie is nominated on the fact of being a technical advisor, but I suspect there are some wildcards amongst the nominees to lead the viewers to the 'correct' choice.

 

At least Britain has some tradition of sailing, unlike cycling. This was a sport with hardly any pedigree or coverage in the UK, and yet two 'British' Tour de France winners later and there are suddenly hordes of lycra-clad individuals on racing bikes causing traffic jams on the country's highways.

 

 

Yes, but it's tenuous whether darts is really a true sport. Undoubtedly a game of skill, but so are Aunt Sally and Bar Billiards and few would suggest the respective World Champions in those sports should be nominated for SPOTY.

Ironically sponsored and covered by SKY on their sports channels, but gaining media coverage on BBC TV through SPOTY.

[Grachan]

To be honest the BBC would probably avoid having nominees from sports like Squash and Speedway as they are the type of sports that might encourage orchestrated voting campaigns and the nominees might end up winning.

 

Then you'd have a SPOTY winner that hardly anybody has heard of!

[orion]

Actually, we're not comparing like-for-like here. If we're taking viewing figures from when the America's Cup was won then it needs to be compared with the GP viewing figure when Tai won it.

 

 

Quite ..unless you got those figures is means nowt ...lets not forget that the Gp's viewing figures were so poor it were dropped by Sky sports

[John Leslie]

At least this thread has woken up the BSPA.

 

http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23315

 

Alex Harkess slams the BBC for snubbing Tai. The BSPA are going to ask the BBC for an explanation as to why he was overlooked.

Good for them, the BBC is accountable to all licence payers, not just silly toffs sports. We deserve an explanation.

 

Might be something for our all-party Speedway parliamentary committee to debate too.

[BWitcher]

 

Just what does all that goobledy-gook mean?

It is the viewing figures for the Sky Sports channel on the week highlighted.

 

In the case of the Americas Cup for example.. it shows :- 6 LIVE AMERICAS CUP SAILING (SUN 2100) 28

 

The '6' refers to it being the 6th highest watched programme on the channel that week... then the name of the show and the time it was on.. then the '28' is the viewing figure in 000's.. so 28,000.

 

Elite League Speedway in the same week was 72.. 72,000.

Quite ..unless you got those figures is means nowt ...lets not forget that the Gp's viewing figures were so poor it were dropped by Sky sports

The GP was consistently above 100,000 so 4-5 times more than the heavily hyped, oh so popular event that Ainslie gave some advice in.

 

The figures had dropped off, not helped by red button usage and some other factors.

 

Average viewers in 2012, the worst year were still 67,454...

Edited November 27, 2013 by BWitcher

[oldtimer]

I very much doubt if any of the panel who pick the top 10 have ever heard of speedway.

[macinter]

I very much doubt if any of the panel who pick the top 10 have ever heard of speedway.

 

And this is the panel.

(Four representatives of the BBC: Barbara Slater (director of BBC Sport). Philip Bernie (head of TV sport).

Carl Doran (executive editor of Sports Personality of the Year). Mark Pougatch (from BBC Radio 5 live ).

Three sports editors from 1)The Mail on Sunday, 2)The Mirror and 3)The Telegraph.

Three former nominees: Baroness Tanni-Grey Thompson, Dame Kelly Holmes & Marcus Trescothick.

Liz Nicholl OBE, chief executive of UK Sport.

Sue Barker MBE.

 

All totally impartial of course, but sadly none a speedway supporter, it would appear.

[BluPanther]

I very much doubt if any of the panel who pick the top 10 have ever heard of speedway.

And that post sums it all up perfectly, whether you like it or not..

[ColinMills]

His name is Tai, the joke of calling him 'Tia' has long since worn thin, and for those who still do it, it speaks volumes about them.

So what?

 

That just further emphasises the point. Nobody really gives a damn, nobody really watches it, but its rammed down our throats.

 

You're actually defeating your own argument here. You're now telling us that people should only be nominated, not on their sporting achievements in that given year, but on the basis of if the media has chosen to give that particualar sport coverage.

 

Ainslie should not be on that list whatsoever. A technical advisor in an event against one other team that had nothing to do with the UK at all.

 

I'm not saying Woffinden should definately have made the 10 either, there are others. Phil Taylor is one notable glaring omission.

for what its worth, it was a spelling mistake on my part, I realised that afterwards, and if that's only your point of reply,why bother!!

[BWitcher]

 

 

Yes, but it's tenuous whether darts is really a true sport. Undoubtedly a game of skill, but so are Aunt Sally and Bar Billiards and few would suggest the respective World Champions in those sports should be nominated for SPOTY.

 

Is that the best you can come up with? Very poor. One could equally say the same about golf.

 

However, being a sports fan I wouldn't dismiss any sport, even ones I don't like.

[500cc]

We need to be realistic here. We can object as much as we like, but like many things in this world its about improving your profile.

 

in sport we know who the best are because they win, they become world champions. But Sports Personality is about bringing together that high profile success. I'd love to see Tai there, but in the end its about raising the profile of the individual and the sport. Ben Ainslie has made the cut off a high profile background that had a specific successful performance this year. No other Brit would have made the Top 10 had they been in the boat instead of Ainslie. It's about building the profile over time. And Murray gets in the Top 10 year on year, but needed the Wimbledon success to make him favourite this year.

 

The success of the programme requires the public having association with most of the participants. We might not like that, but its the truth.

At least this thread has woken up the BSPA.

http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23315

Alex Harkess slams the BBC for snubbing Tai. The BSPA are going to ask the BBC for an explanation as to why he was overlooked.
Good for them, the BBC is accountable to all licence payers, not just silly toffs sports. We deserve an explanation.

Might be something for our all-party Speedway parliamentary committee to debate too.

I hope they put their effort into getting Tai included in the actual show as opposed to just complaining; don't forget the BSPA doesn't take kindly to whingers on the internet !!!

[Blazeaway]

Has the word tenuous ever been used so many times on a thread before?

[BWitcher]

We need to be realistic here. We can object as much as we like, but like many things in this world its about improving your profile.

 

in sport we know who the best are because they win, they become world champions. But Sports Personality is about bringing together that high profile success. I'd love to see Tai there, but in the end its about raising the profile of the individual and the sport. Ben Ainslie has made the cut off a high profile background that had a specific successful performance this year. No other Brit would have made the Top 10 had they been in the boat instead of Ainslie. It's about building the profile over time. And Murray gets in the Top 10 year on year, but needed the Wimbledon success to make him favourite this year.

 

The success of the programme requires the public having association with most of the participants. We might not like that, but its the truth.

 

Profile is only built by those who choose to build it. The mainstream media, especially the BBC is very much a closed shop in this area. That is the problem.

 

It's already been demonstrated that outside of the Olympics, where lets be honest, most of us will watch anything and get into the spirit of it, Ainslie's sailing 'achievement' was greeted with extreme apathy by the UK public.

 

Approximately 30,000 viewers for this pinnacle Blue Riband event says all that needs to be said. Less than half of what a minority sport like speedway garners for a run of the mill league match in a league that is mocked by the sports own supporters!

Edited November 27, 2013 by BWitcher

[Blazeaway]

 

Profile is only built by those who choose to build it. The mainstream media, especially the BBC is very much a closed shop in this area. That is the problem.

 

Disagree to a point. Ten years ago cycling was unheard of on the BBC. Mainly due to hard work by those that run the sport which lead to success on the track it's forced it's way onto their agenda.

 

Pehaps if speedway wasn't run by rule manipulation, one upmanship and complete self interest the sport might actually get somewhere in this country. Don't hold your breath though...

[BWitcher]

 

Disagree to a point. Ten years ago cycling was unheard of on the BBC. Mainly due to hard work by those that run the sport which lead to success on the track it's forced it's way onto their agenda.

 

Pehaps if speedway wasn't run by rule manipulation, one upmanship and complete self interest the sport might actually get somewhere in this country. Don't hold your breath though...

Cycling has always been on the BBC agenda as its an Olympic sport. The moment we started to gain medals they began to hype it.

 

Rowing is similar.

 

No arguments with you over the way speedway is run, but that hasn't anything to do with who is or isn't put forward on the Sports Personality list.

Edited November 27, 2013 by BWitcher

[martin_t]

We need to be realistic here. We can object as much as we like, but like many things in this world its about improving your profile.

 

in sport we know who the best are because they win, they become world champions. But Sports Personality is about bringing together that high profile success. I'd love to see Tai there, but in the end its about raising the profile of the individual and the sport. Ben Ainslie has made the cut off a high profile background that had a specific successful performance this year. No other Brit would have made the Top 10 had they been in the boat instead of Ainslie. It's about building the profile over time. And Murray gets in the Top 10 year on year, but needed the Wimbledon success to make him favourite this year.

 

The success of the programme requires the public having association with most of the participants. We might not like that, but its the truth.

I hope they put their effort into getting Tai included in the actual show as opposed to just complaining; don't forget the BSPA doesn't take kindly to whingers on the internet !!!

He has been invited on the show.He'll probably get a very brief mention . Edited November 27, 2013 by martin_t

[Tsunami]

Cycling has always been on the BBC agenda as its an Olympic sport. The moment we started to gain medals they began to hype it.

 

Rowing is similar.

 

No arguments with you over the way speedway is run, but that hasn't anything to do with who is or isn't put forward on the Sports Personality list.

Always has been, Chris Boardman comes to mind and of course Lance Armstrong, but for other reasons.

 

Steve Redgrave and Matthew Pinsent have been around for years, even before the 10 years Blaze is talking about.

 

Agreed, (away for a lie down now).

Edited November 27, 2013 by Tsunami

[New Science]

When Tai won the Title it did get a mention on the BBC Sport website.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/speedway/24412504

 

Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/speedway/24462371

When Tai won the Title it did get a mention on the BBC Sport website.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/speedway/24412504

 

Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/speedway/24462371

BBC also had a story of Tai's world championship win under the heading 'Moto GP' They are not remotely interested in speedway, just a British 'feel good' story, if a Brit won the world tiddly wink championship the BBC would give it as much airtime(about 5 minutes)