500cc Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 How Ryan Giggs won it is beyond me as he hate an affair and that to me isnt somthing I would like my kids to look up to! But Giggs was probably an example of where the award was made on personality (all round personality, not charisma) as opposed to sporting achievement. Had is affair been known at that stage you can be sure he wouldn't have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Has Ryan Giggs got a personality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston197 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I still can't believe people can't grasp the title of Sports Personality of The Year. It's not an actual personality competition! It became clear to me the word "personality" meant nothing when Nigel Mansell won it ! His achievements immense, his personality ZERO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Years back when Carl Fogerty was World Superbike Champion, a sport that was covered on the BBC, He was invited to the awards, He went, thinking he was going to win, but never even got a mention. Probably, Instead of calling the award the SPOTY, they should call it : IYFFA, ' If your Face Fits Award', then everyone will know who has a chance or not. Sorry Woffy, you were never in the frame. Even if you had won every SGP race, broken every bone in your body, Raised £ 5 million for charity, you still wouldn't have been considered. Trouble is: is that because of the sorry state of our sport, or rather the sorry state of the BBC.... Who knows.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well let's look at the ten... McCoy: BBC love a jockey - in truth it's his whole career being recognised not a single year but still fair enough. Yes the Beeb 'love a jockey'..... so much so they have dropped all Horse Racing and basically 'gave it away' to Channel 4. McCoy also won Sports Personality in 2010, for basically the same reason you give for him being nominated this year (whole career - 4,000 winners - 18th Champion Jockey title), although he did win his first Grand National in 2010, which helped his cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) just for 1 moment, in the fantasy of a bbc official thinking of putting a rider up, the presenter on the night has to talk about the sport in question........In tia"s league racing, what is the format????........don't know, not been decided yet......what channel can we watch speedway????.....don't know, not been decided yet.... His name is Tai, the joke of calling him 'Tia' has long since worn thin, and for those who still do it, it speaks volumes about them. Not sure you tell me ...I remember THE Sailing being on every major news station in the uk the next day and in every newspaper in the days to follow not only in the sport pages but also the news pages ..How about Tai ? I wonder if we went into town tomorrow and ask people who Tai was and who Ben was what would happen ..you could ask 500 people who Tai was and not one would know all the other hand Ben is well known by the British Public . So what? That just further emphasises the point. Nobody really gives a damn, nobody really watches it, but its rammed down our throats. You're actually defeating your own argument here. You're now telling us that people should only be nominated, not on their sporting achievements in that given year, but on the basis of if the media has chosen to give that particualar sport coverage. Ainslie should not be on that list whatsoever. A technical advisor in an event against one other team that had nothing to do with the UK at all. I'm not saying Woffinden should definately have made the 10 either, there are others. Phil Taylor is one notable glaring omission. Edited November 27, 2013 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I still can't believe people can't grasp the title of Sports Personality of The Year. It's not an actual personality competition!Amazes me too. "Personality" simply means a known or famous person. e.g. a television personality. I guess if the competition were being started now, rather than the 1950s, it would be called "Sports Celebrity of the Year". It's a competition to find the sportsperson/personality/celebrity who has had the most outstanding year. It's not called "Sports Personality you would most like to spend an evening down the pub with of the year" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 You're actually defeating your own argument here. You're now telling us that people should only be nominated, not on their sporting achievements in that given year, but on the basis of if the media has chosen to give that particualar sport coverage. Not at all you ask the question about the Sailing and who was interested so I gave you the answer . The media give coverage to sports that the public care about hence why Speedway and Tai never got a look in as to them being a world speedway champion means nothing and is not much of a achievement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Not at all you ask the question about the Sailing and who was interested so I gave you the answer . The media give coverage to sports that the public care about hence why Speedway and Tai never got a look in as to them being a world speedway champion means nothing and is not much of a achievement . You haven't shown me any evidence that the public cares about sailing. The public have an awareness of it as its one of the sports the media choose to give wide publicity too.. but as for caring, or indeed watching.. quite different. It's a sport that people take interest in every 4 years when the Olympics comes round and then quickly forget about afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macinter Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think we all really know that the BBC give preference to certain sports in this alleged "competition". Remember two members of the Royal family have won. I think that says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 What's more demanding, riding a bike without brakes at 70 mph with three others in a narrow space or knocking a ball across a net ? I'd actually say playing on the tennis circuit is more demanding than riding a speedway bike. Motor sport is surprisingly physically demanding, and I'd imagine speedway is especially so, but speedway meetings involve 4 or 5 bursts of exertion for a minute of so, whilst tennis matches can take hours. Moreover, tennis players probably play more matches than speedway riders do meetings over the course of a season. And whilst we can admire speedway riders still competing with broken collar bones and the like, tennis players would simply be unable to play. I'd think you have to be far fitter to be a top-flight tennis player than speedway rider. Yes, speedway riders may have more bravery (or daftness), but bravery is also a relative thing. If you do something all the time and have confidence in your abilities, then it becomes second nature and you compartmentalise the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 You haven't shown me any evidence that the public cares about sailing. The public have an awareness of it as its one of the sports the media choose to give wide publicity too.. but as for caring, or indeed watching.. quite different. It's a sport that people take interest in every 4 years when the Olympics comes round and then quickly forget about afterwards. Why do think the media give it publicity ? because the public do care about it hence why they never give Speedway any ..you could see the people in the press and TV's thinking to themselves lets run massive stories about Ben and Sailing tomorrow because no cares about it . Why do you think speedway get's no publicity ? because it's popular with the public ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Murray - won Wimbledon. Certain winner of SPOTY '14 Generally the winner is from a sport the BBC covers, and fortunately for them, Wimbledon is one of them. Even so, I don't think anyone can seriously equate a British speedway world champion with a British winner of Wimbledon. Even if hardly anyone follows tennis outside of Wimbledon, I'd imagine more people physically go to Wimbledon in a fortnight than to speedway in a year. And the global television audience is something like 400 million, which knocks even the best speedway audiences into a cocked hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) Generally the winner is from a sport the BBC covers, and fortunately for them, Wimbledon is one of them. Even so, I don't think anyone can seriously equate a British speedway world champion with a British winner of Wimbledon. Even if hardly anyone follows tennis outside of Wimbledon, I'd imagine more people physically go to Wimbledon in a fortnight than to speedway in a year. And the global television audience is something like 400 million, which knocks even the best speedway audiences into a cocked hat. That's narrowing it down one heck of a lot then (compared to a few years ago) as the Beeb has 'lost' most of the sports it used to cover! Edited November 27, 2013 by The Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Why do think the media give it publicity ? because the public do care about it hence why they never give Speedway any ..you could see the people in the press and TV's thinking to themselves lets run massive stories about Ben and Sailing tomorrow because no cares about it . Why do you think speedway get's no publicity ? because it's popular with the public ? The media give it publicity because of money and because the name Ben Ainslie is entrenched in the public consiciousness. It's nothing to do with the popularity of the sport per se. Generally the winner is from a sport the BBC covers, and fortunately for them, Wimbledon is one of them. Even so, I don't think anyone can seriously equate a British speedway world champion with a British winner of Wimbledon. Even if hardly anyone follows tennis outside of Wimbledon, I'd imagine more people physically go to Wimbledon in a fortnight than to speedway in a year. And the global television audience is something like 400 million, which knocks even the best speedway audiences into a cocked hat. As you say, you can't argue against Andy Murray winning in any shape or form. Wimbledon is one of the worlds biggest sporting events. As for 'hardly anyone' following tennis outside of Wimbledon, that is a massive exageration. For sure, there is a big % who only watch Wimbledon, but saying 'hardly anyone' watches the over events is a bit OTT: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 As much as we'd love Woffy in the top 10 you'd have to be fairly deluded to think he'd come above any of the top 10 picked. I understand there was a lot of competition and mainstream will always win, but I don't understand how anybody in that list has done more than Tai? Tai has spent every spare hour he has in his garage cleaning, fixing, preparing and trialing his bikes, working on his mental and physical fitness every single day and pushing his limits day after day until he reached the top of the world. I don't see how that is any different to anybody on the list, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macinter Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Generally the winner is from a sport the BBC covers, and fortunately for them, Wimbledon is one of them. Even so, I don't think anyone can seriously equate a British speedway world champion with a British winner of Wimbledon. Even if hardly anyone follows tennis outside of Wimbledon, I'd imagine more people physically go to Wimbledon in a fortnight than to speedway in a year. And the global television audience is something like 400 million, which knocks even the best speedway audiences into a cocked hat Quite correct. But let's not pretend it is all fair and above board. Never in a month of Sundays were Princess Anne and her daughter the two most outstanding sports personalities in the years they won. Without doubt there is some sort of BBC agenda going on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Ben Ainslie quite simply should not be in the Top 10 list. His ONLY contribution to the year was as a 'tactician' in a 2 team event solely for billionaires. He didn't win any World Titles or anything of note. In years when he was won Olympic golds etc, yes he was a worthy contender, but this year including him is ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Quite correct. But let's not pretend it is all fair and above board. Never in a month of Sundays were Princess Anne and her daughter the two most outstanding sports personalities in the years they won. Without doubt there is some sort of BBC agenda going on here. Most people rightly or wrongly voted for her hardly an a agenda . Ben Ainslie quite simply should not be in the Top 10 list. His ONLY contribution to the year was as a 'tactician' in a 2 team event solely for billionaires. He didn't win any World Titles or anything of note. In years when he was won Olympic golds etc, yes he was a worthy contender, but this year including him is ridiculous. That is in your view ..others see it as him joining a team that was miles behind before making the greatest sporting comeback of all time ..you don't rate it but the public did . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Tai was never in with a chance of making the top ten, the BBC would have been swamped with calls asking who he was. Deserving and reality are two separate issues im afraid. Speedway is a minority sport, such is life.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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