When Will The New Race Format Be Out & How Can Teams Name Riders When They Don't Know It?

[Barrycuda]

I always thought with a draw the away team got 2 points.

 

Do we know why that has changed according to 15.13?

Indeed 2013 Rules says so. 2 points for a away draw.

[racers and royals]

Can anyone please explain the following rule regarding guest riders more so for the away team.

• • A GUEST RIDER (G) replaces an absent regular Team Member subject to the following:

• • • At Home Meetings, Riders in the top 1-5 (but not Doubling Up Riders) will have their MA enhanced by + 5% to determine the allowance for the Guest Rider.

It comments in the above about home meetings and nothing about away meetings guest rider.

 

 

 

You don`t get an enhanced average guest away-someone better tell Middlo !!

Edited March 6, 2014 by racers and royals

[2ndbendbeerhut]

I always thought with a draw the away team got 2 points.

 

Do we know why that has changed according to 15.13?

Think thats the first mistake thats been spotted.......

[A ORLOV]

Think thats the first mistake thats been spotted.......

The bspa web page says 2 points for an away draw in the rules but it does not say what year the rules are for.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

The bspa web page says 2 points for an away draw in the rules but it does not say what year the rules are for.

So a loss by upto 6 points away from home is the same as a draw?

[Daniel Smith]

This made me chuckle, can we expect clockwise racing

 

15.2 Heats shall be anti-clockwise of 4 laps duration, unless the SR’s state otherwise

[Bryn]

Prevents 'wrong way round races' and i seem to remember an event of that nature at Crayford.

Edited March 7, 2014 by Bryn

[SteveLyric2]

So now that the new Rules & Regs are out and the new Race Format Gate Positions are announced, is anyone having their own 'Harry met Sally Restaurant' moment??!!

 

By the way, 15.11 isn't a new rule is it as its not in bold type??

 

15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track

inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting.

 

Edited March 7, 2014 by Skidder1

[racers and royals]

So now that the new Rules & Regs are out and the new Race Format Gate Positions are announced, is anyone having their own 'Harry met Sally Restaurant' moment??!!

 

By the way, 15.11 isn't a new rule is it as its not in bold type??

 

15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track

inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting.

 

Come on ! didn`t you read page 1

 

Please note that since the 2013 Edition some Chapters have been renumbered and in other cases

portions of a Chapter have been transferred to new Chapters. As a consequence some Rule Changes

from the 2013 edition may not be highlighted in bold as per the normal system.

[500cc]

There appears to be an inconsistency between Jon Cook's quotes and the Regulations. Cook states that Heat 9 (reserves race) is not an eligible tactical heat. The Regulations don't appear to rule out Heat 9.

 

I think I saw something backing Cook's view last week (probably the BSPA press release).

 

I actually think in the circumstances Cook's view is preferable. Whilst the 1-5 are effectively equal (yes I know), there is likely less equality at reserve. With the new format already having the potential for the reserve pairings to have a huge influence on the result, the danger is that Heat 9 will further over balance the impact of the reserves. The mitigation (and effectively the counter argument) is that if you are already struggling but have good reserves it gives the opportunity to substantially reduce the deficit, whilst if your leading with strong reserves, the opposition probably don't want to use the tactical in that Heat anyway.

[racers and royals]

There appears to be an inconsistency between Jon Cook's quotes and the Regulations. Cook states that Heat 9 (reserves race) is not an eligible tactical heat. The Regulations don't appear to rule out Heat 9.

 

I think I saw something backing Cook's view last week (probably the BSPA press release).

 

I actually think in the circumstances Cook's view is preferable. Whilst the 1-5 are effectively equal (yes I know), there is likely less equality at reserve. With the new format already having the potential for the reserve pairings to have a huge influence on the result, the danger is that Heat 9 will further over balance the impact of the reserves. The mitigation (and effectively the counter argument) is that if you are already struggling but have good reserves it gives the opportunity to substantially reduce the deficit, whilst if your leading with strong reserves, the opposition probably don't want to use the tactical in that Heat anyway.

How can you do it in heat 9 if the only eligible riders are in the 1 to 5

 

17.10 A TACTICAL RIDE (TR):

17.10.1 Can only be taken by Riders in positions 1 to 5 and is permitted only in Heats within the

Tactical Zone (Heats 5 – 11) and only when on the 1st

occasion a Team is 10 or more points

in arrears and on a sub sequent 2nd

occasion when the Team is 12 or more points in arrear

Edited March 7, 2014 by racers and royals

[TonyE]

There appears to be an inconsistency between Jon Cook's quotes and the Regulations. Cook states that Heat 9 (reserves race) is not an eligible tactical heat. The Regulations don't appear to rule out Heat 9.

 

I think I saw something backing Cook's view last week (probably the BSPA press release).

 

I actually think in the circumstances Cook's view is preferable. Whilst the 1-5 are effectively equal (yes I know), there is likely less equality at reserve. With the new format already having the potential for the reserve pairings to have a huge influence on the result, the danger is that Heat 9 will further over balance the impact of the reserves. The mitigation (and effectively the counter argument) is that if you are already struggling but have good reserves it gives the opportunity to substantially reduce the deficit, whilst if your leading with strong reserves, the opposition probably don't want to use the tactical in that Heat anyway.

But they do - see 17.10.1 - TR's can only be taken by Nos 1 to 5 and as none are in Heat 9 no TR is possible.

Edited March 7, 2014 by TonyE

[500cc]

How can you do it in heat 9 if the only eligible riders are in the 1 to 5

 

17.10 A TACTICAL RIDE (TR):

17.10.1 Can only be taken by Riders in positions 1 to 5 and is permitted only in Heats within the

Tactical Zone (Heats 5 – 11) and only when on the 1st

occasion a Team is 10 or more points

in arrears and on a sub sequent 2nd

occasion when the Team is 12 or more points in arrear

 

 

But they do - see 17.10.1 - TR's can only be taken by Nos 1 to 5 and as none are in Heat 9 no TR is possible.

 

Good points guys!!!

 

I was looking for a mention of Heat 9, rather than following the logic.

 

I read this both before and after I read Cook's quotes, and both times came to the same conclusion that Heat 9 was an eligible Tactical Heat.

 

I'd also read regulations 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 which had suggested reserves were eligible for tacticals.

 

I do remain confused as to whether 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 override 17.10.1. I'm assuming they do but who knows !!!

Edited March 7, 2014 by 500cc

[The White Knight]

 

 

 

Good points guys!!!

 

I was looking for a mention of Heat 9, rather than following the logic.

 

I read this both before and after I read Cook's quotes, and both times came to the same conclusion that Heat 9 was an eligible Tactical Heat.

 

I'd also read regulations 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 which had suggested reserves were eligible for tacticals.

 

I do remain confused as to whether 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 override 17.10.1. I'm assuming they do but who knows !!!

 

Puzzled of Sunderland would like to know:

 

Is there anything in there about Four Blokes Riding around a Track? If there isn't - I'm not going.

[racers and royals]

Good points guys!!!

 

I was looking for a mention of Heat 9, rather than following the logic.

 

I read this both before and after I read Cook's quotes, and both times came to the same conclusion that Heat 9 was an eligible Tactical Heat.

 

I'd also read regulations 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 which had suggested reserves were eligible for tacticals.

 

I do remain confused as to whether 17.8.5 and 17.9.6 override 17.10.1. I'm assuming they do but who knows !!!

I will try and explain the difference between 17.8.5,17.9.6 and 17.10.1

17.10.1 is specifically a TR RULE-no tr`s in heat 9 because they are reserves and not in the 1 to 5

17.8.5 refers to the old style rr now called arr

17.9.6 refers to the new injury rr called irr and in both occasions the reserves are when riding in a particular race assuming the position of a rider in the 1 to 5 so if required can take a TR - that's how I see it.

Edited March 7, 2014 by racers and royals

[stevebrum]

 

Puzzled of Sunderland would like to know:

 

Is there anything in there about Four Blokes Riding around a Track? If there isn't - I'm not going.

 

 

Yes there is, and it also says the EL is the highest level of Speedway in the UK.

[john birch]

_{I quite like the new format,but I too have my concerns for the averages of riders for the following season.}

_{Do the reserves get an average or do they simply stay at reserve the following season.If they gain an average for the following season this could go against the good reserves getting a team place for next season.}

_{If for instance L.Kerr has a decent season he rides against 2 reserves twice and a 2nd string and reserve twice in a meeting he could average 6 quite easy.Would he get a place the following season on a 6.}

This is another thing that needs to be sorted. IMO riders should be allowed a max. of two years as an A grade rider before having to ride in the top five. Ditto max. two years as a B grader before moving up to A grade or dropping out of the scheme. However in the case of drafted riders (Eg Garrity) as opposed to assets (Eg Ellis) teams would either have to use them in the top 5 or allow them to be picked by another team next year. It wouldn,t be fair for Coventry to possibly have the best pick two years running (and I'm a Bees fan!). Riders in the B grade could move up to the A grade in the close season but not vice versa.

[The White Knight]

 

 

Yes there is, and it also says the EL is the highest level of Speedway in the UK.

 

:rofl:

[SCB]

This is another thing that needs to be sorted. IMO riders should be allowed a max. of two years as an A grade rider before having to ride in the top five. Ditto max. two years as a B grader before moving up to A grade or dropping out of the scheme. However in the case of drafted riders (Eg Garrity) as opposed to assets (Eg Ellis) teams would either have to use them in the top 5 or allow them to be picked by another team next year. It wouldn,t be fair for Coventry to possibly have the best pick two years running (and I'm a Bees fan!). Riders in the B grade could move up to the A grade in the close season but not vice versa.

A draft is used for new riders. If you wish to keep your riders no need to join the draft. If it's decided Garitty is too good next season then Coventry will have to join te draft again avid hioe there's a new good young rider in the list.

[INCOGNITO]

If the draft system stays in place next year then there will be a regulation as to which riders can be used in the draft. These will be riders with a Premier League average not over six points a meeting.

 

Should there be a rider slightly over six then they can ask to be included but the team that selects these riders will most likely get the final picks in the second round.

 

 

The rider at#3 for the away team will be the rider most likely to gain a tactical ride.