Steve0 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) I just want to say that when Swindon were in the PL. I enjoyed the racing just as much (sometimes more) without the so-called stars and the fans continued their support. I think what TWK is suggesting is certainly worth considering - maybe not so radical in banning all foreign talent but perhaps cap what clubs pay and learn to live with what you can afford. The hardest change (not PL/EL specific) was changing from a Saturday night to a Thursday but once people accepted that "Thursday night was now speedway night", the crowds picked up. However, Swindon over the last few seasons have struggled to get the fans through the door and I think that is more to do with the lack of continuity there has been. It has been shown that if you have an atractive fixture (e.g. Poole) at the right price, the fans will support it. Edited February 24, 2014 by Steve0 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well you could say attacking the EL and `so called stars` at every opportunity is `pathetic`. You blindly believe that the PL is a stable league with no issues or problems. Lets face it, without a top level of Speedway the sport would become an amateur sport with any serious credibility. The problems facing SPEEDWAY is a drain - not just one league. ALL clubs struggle - in ALL leagues. Perhaps your coffee lacks any smell. If we go down your route then it seems you would be happy that vast numbers would disappear from supporting the sport, but hey, i would imagine you are OK with that because the precious PL would be OK. Like i said blinkered to the faults of one league and ignore the faults of the rest. Not at all blinkered I assure you. Honest , practical, realistic yes - but NOT blinkered. Perhaps with less money to pay to these 'Foreigners' the Elite League could afford to allow some of the SKY money to benefit the WHOLE of British Speedway not just the select few in the Elite League. Granted most televised Meetings are Elite League - however - without the rest of Speedway (ie: Reserves and Double Uppers from National and Premier Leagues) the Elite League would simply NOT exist. These other Leagues are keeping the Elite League Tracks going and are seeing very little Financial recompense for doing so. In your 'blinkered' fashion - do you really believe that is the correct way to go? I CAN see your point - but it seems to me that you are happy with the Elite League as it is - and to hell with anyone else. At present the BSPA are backing your point of view - even though it will eventually lead to disaster. How much longer do you think some Elite League Tracks can keep going under their current Financial duress? It is only a matter of time before one of them closes. Then you will be wringing your hands saying - what happened? Well - I have just answered that question for you. Wake up and smell your Coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I am firmly a PL man, as my team have always been there - but the EL is the main league, that is how it is. I dont see the issue with EL having a different format, if as has been promised it is for the good of British speedway. Why are people arguing so vehemently against it without seeing the new plans. Old the old idiots, who bang on about no play-offs, lets go back to 13 heats, bring back black and white helmets, bring back leathers, Sky is bad for the sport...just get over yourselves. Surely the new EL format should be given a chance, and it has been done for all the right reasons simple as that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Surely the new EL format should be given a chance, and it has been done for all the right reasons simple as that. Well said, that's all I have been saying all along - give it a chance rather than calling it a failure before the season starts...................and I don't even have an EL team to support anymore. I will still support EL racing though by going to Brandon & Monmore as often as I can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Not at all blinkered I assure you. Honest , practical, realistic yes - but NOT blinkered. Perhaps with less money to pay to these 'Foreigners' the Elite League could afford to allow some of the SKY money to benefit the WHOLE of British Speedway not just the select few in the Elite League. Granted most televised Meetings are Elite League - however - without the rest of Speedway (ie: Reserves and Double Uppers from National and Premier Leagues) the Elite League would simply NOT exist. These other Leagues are keeping the Elite League Tracks going and are seeing very little Financial recompense for doing so. In your 'blinkered' fashion - do you really believe that is the correct way to go? I CAN see your point - but it seems to me that you are happy with the Elite League as it is - and to hell with anyone else. At present the BSPA are backing your point of view - even though it will eventually lead to disaster. How much longer do you think some Elite League Tracks can keep going under their current Financial duress? It is only a matter of time before one of them closes. Then you will be wringing your hands saying - what happened? Well - I have just answered that question for you. Wake up and smell your Coffee. Without the EL SKY would have no interest in showing Speedway so why should your biased league receive anything? Obviously it would have been much better if the SKY money had been used to invest in its future. The PL isn't keeping the EL going, what a silly statement. If riders had to choose a league (ie Jason Doyle) the PL would struggle for top riders. Seems your coffee is still well off its scent. There is nowhere in any of my comments i have said i am `happy with the EL as it is`, but feel free to make up stuff to suit your blinkered point. I would be HAPPIER if the EL had ALL the top boys back, not less. More thru the turnstiles and making our league a credible one. The only thing lacking in credibility is your statement it should be one league of PL standard. Now that WOULD be suicide for Speedway. Like i have said and you have ignored - EL tracks would probably close if the EL disappeared. The point remains that more NL and PL tracks have closed in recent seasons. So like i say you keep smelling that odourless coffee. At least mine has some flavour. You claim to be not at all blinkered, but your above post proves the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Surely the new EL format should be given a chance, and it has been done for all the right reasons simple as that. Well said, that's all I have been saying all along - give it a chance rather than calling it a failure before the season starts...................and I don't even have an EL team to support anymore. I will still support EL racing though by going to Brandon & Monmore as often as I can. We might be in a position to give it a chance, if we knew what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Without the EL SKY would have no interest in showing Speedway so why should your biased league receive anything? Obviously it would have been much better if the SKY money had been used to invest in its future. The PL isn't keeping the EL going, what a silly statement. If riders had to choose a league (ie Jason Doyle) the PL would struggle for top riders. Seems your coffee is still well off its scent. There is nowhere in any of my comments i have said i am `happy with the EL as it is`, but feel free to make up stuff to suit your blinkered point. I would be HAPPIER if the EL had ALL the top boys back, not less. More thru the turnstiles and making our league a credible one. The only thing lacking in credibility is your statement it should be one league of PL standard. Now that WOULD be suicide for Speedway. Like i have said and you have ignored - EL tracks would probably close if the EL disappeared. The point remains that more NL and PL tracks have closed in recent seasons. So like i say you keep smelling that odourless coffee. At least mine has some flavour. You claim to be not at all blinkered, but your above post proves the opposite. I will try to answer your points in order: NOT biased - just sensible. If the Premier League wasn't supplying Riders for the elite League - how would it survive. Not silly but correct. The only credibility lacking is British Speedway with it's Rules. We will have to wait and see regarding closures. As I said, I hope you are right and not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 We might be in a position to give it a chance, if we knew what it was. .................you won't be in a position to give it chance regardless of knowing, till the season starts. In which case, if we still don't know by then, I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 .................you won't be in a position to give it chance regardless of knowing, till the season starts. In which case, if we still don't know by then, I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong! I will be in a position to decide if it's worth giving a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I dont see the issue with EL having a different format, if as has been promised it is for the good of British speedway. Why are people arguing so vehemently against it without seeing the new plans. Surely the new EL format should be given a chance, and it has been done for all the right reasons simple as that. I don't believe anybody is moaning about having the new format, and rightly so, yes, it should be given a chance. I think you'll find the biggest concern is the timing of the format being announced to the waiting public. Obviously this has caused a lot of concern, thinking that the reasons for the lateness is problematic and that in itself it worrying...... .................you won't be in a position to give it chance regardless of knowing, till the season starts. In which case, if we still don't know by then, I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong! It now appears we won't know anything before the season starts, and that in itself is very worrying. Bearing in mind there are many matches programmed for March and this new format will be introduced immediately, there will be no ' get out clause' This has to be right form the off.. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.. I just hope they get it right........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The fact that with less than two weeks to go before the first meeting of the season the formula still hasn't been released suggests one of two things: 1 - They don't think it's important enough. 2 - It's a mess and they hope by the time people realise that it's too late. All along I've tried to explain the problems caused by the 'screening' system which of course is essential given the introduction of riders well below the standard of the rest in the EL and initially I wasn't too bothered about the timing, just looking forward to being reassured that a good, workable formula had been created - all in good time. The delays now do suggest that this hasn't happened although I do still live in hope, but after watching 43 years of speedway lord knows why..., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I will try to answer your points in order: NOT biased - just sensible. If the Premier League wasn't supplying Riders for the elite League - how would it survive. Not silly but correct. The only credibility lacking is British Speedway with it's Rules. We will have to wait and see regarding closures. As I said, I hope you are right and not me. In reply to your answers also Likewise sensible to suggest that having a top level of racing with big performers is credible. The PL would struggle for top riders if riders were forced to choose one league over the other. Promotions and leagues as a whole need to work together more , but i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 In reply to your answers also Likewise sensible to suggest that having a top level of racing with big performers is credible. The PL would struggle for top riders if riders were forced to choose one league over the other. Promotions and leagues as a whole need to work together more , but i doubt it. 100% agree with that. Sadly - I also agree with your conclusion. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 The fact that with less than two weeks to go before the first meeting of the season the formula still hasn't been released suggests one of two things: 1 - They don't think it's important enough. 2 - It's a mess and they hope by the time people realise that it's too late. All along I've tried to explain the problems caused by the 'screening' system which of course is essential given the introduction of riders well below the standard of the rest in the EL and initially I wasn't too bothered about the timing, just looking forward to being reassured that a good, workable formula had been created - all in good time. The delays now do suggest that this hasn't happened although I do still live in hope, but after watching 43 years of speedway lord knows why..., The first official EL meeting requiring the new format is not until 24th March! Maybe the reason for the non-announcement is that it has not yet been ratified by all concerned?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I will be going to the first EL meeting of 2014 Wolves v Brum. It will be a great local derby meeting. Why don't all supporters, sceptical or otherwise come to Monmore Green and make the first meeting a bumper attendance with a great atmosphere to get the new rules/regs off to a flyer. Then you will be armed with all the info/programmed rides etc ready for your own teams meetings for the season. Wouldn't that be great to get the new season underway and show our support of this great sport? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I will be going to the first EL meeting of 2014 Wolves v Brum. It will be a great local derby meeting. Why don't all supporters, sceptical or otherwise come to Monmore Green and make the first meeting a bumper attendance with a great atmosphere to get the new rules/regs off to a flyer. Then you will be armed with all the info/programmed rides etc ready for your own teams meetings for the season. Wouldn't that be great to get the new season underway and show our support of this great sport? Nobody is usually bothered about programmes these days................................ unless a new race format is included in it! Of course the many will not turn out and show there support of our sport and its new trialed heat format. They will just stay at home moan about it and the reasons why it wasn't released to the general public. Edited February 25, 2014 by stevebrum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 do we even know how many heats there will be in a match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle727 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 do we even know how many heats there will be in a match? Perhaps to make up for having 2 reserves races they'll go to 16 heats instead of 15 with 2 nominated heats (15 & 16) in which they can use any of their top 5 once each and in any order they choose. Things dont always need to have a negative slant.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Perhaps to make up for having 2 reserves races they'll go to 16 heats instead of 15 with 2 nominated heats (15 & 16) in which they can use any of their top 5 once each and in any order they choose. Things dont always need to have a negative slant.... .............. are you sure. This IS Speedway we are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 do we even know how many heats there will be in a match? 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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