When Will The New Race Format Be Out & How Can Teams Name Riders When They Don't Know It?

[seanmuffe]

 

The current format is a slightly massaged version of the old 13 heat anyway.

 

If the BSPA is adopting the Polish style of team building, then the Polish race format ought to work.

 

If they try to invent something themselves, then heaven help us, becasue the BSPA always proves the theory that a camel is actually a horse, designed by committee.

no its not they told us it was new!!

 

exactly made up on the hoof.............they wonder why we have no faith in them!

[500cc]

 

 

There has to be a rule put in place that ensures 7 and 8+ riders are not in the heats alongside reserves

 

 

Whichever way they go, there is going to be teams looking for loop holes from day one like signing a 4+ rider, getting him to average 6+ in easier heats against NL reserves and then replace him with a real 6+ rider who becomes a 7+ rider !

I agree that's the concern.

 

To an extent the current format has a kind of equality on strength of opposition. By creating a greater inequality, the averages become distorted and once again open up manipulation and loopholes.

[SteveLyric2]

As we seem to be following the Swedish and/or Polish model, maybe we can look forward to doing away with points limits in future seasons, as Poland have done for 2014??!

[stevebrum]

As we seem to be following the Swedish and/or Polish model, maybe we can look forward to doing away with points limits in future seasons, as Poland have done for 2014??!

That would be a dream, but it wont happen sadly.

[orion]

As it is also rumoured that r/r will take immediate effect in the event of injury, then presumably each team will have to have a named Number 8, who could also cover for a reserve injury!!

Be great, just get your worst rider to pretend he's hurt and bring in the better rider .

[capone]

this whole thread shows how crazy it is to amalgate two very different league, standards....soon to be know as the ELITIONAL LEAGUE every year something stupid,, lke changing a helmet colour to green, (or did i miss the benefit of that) always changing the points limit..by point 375!!!??? or there abouts what does B.S.P.A stand for bфддy stupid points allowance

[TonyE]

this whole thread shows how crazy it is to amalgate two very different league, standards....soon to be know as the ELITIONAL LEAGUE every year something stupid,, lke changing a helmet colour to green, (or did i miss the benefit of that) always changing the points limit..by point 375!!!??? or there abouts what does B.S.P.A stand for bфддy stupid points allowance

Did you machine gun your keyboard?

[Crazy robin]

Still no news of the new race format then to the speedway fans & have to guess that the promotors must know as they keep naming riders??

[hans fan]

Still no news of the new race format then to the speedway fans & have to guess that the promotors must know as they keep naming riders??

just goes to show how much thought went in to it ,

[Starman2006]

To fit in with the need to save costs they are having one heat only, of sixteen laps, with 14 riders in it, then you do not need any TS,RR or GD, simples

I heard we will be having four staggered starting gates, and it will be run on a Handicap system, where the reserves will be on the front rows and so on. Darcy Ward starts a lap behind, just to give the others a chance...

Edited December 15, 2013 by Starman2006

[MattK]

Still no news of the new race format then to the speedway fans & have to guess that the promotors must know as they keep naming riders??

 

Did someone post that the top 3 riders have to line up at 1, 3 and 5, although in any order? Or did I dream that?

[Crazy robin]

Did someone post that the top 3 riders have to line up at 1, 3 and 5, although in any order? Or did I dream that?

It's all still rumours, rumours, rumours & the silence from the clowns who run the sport & said there would be a new race format is baffling.

 

What other sport could see riders or players signed up & the people who pay their wages are left in the dark.

[stevebrum]

Did someone post that the top 3 riders have to line up at 1, 3 and 5, although in any order? Or did I dream that?

Must admit that's a new one on me! But its a possible i`m sure!

[Trees]

Rob and Buster said it would be similar to the Swedish league format . . would anyone like to put us in the pic? ;-)

[stevebrum]

Rob and Buster said it would be similar to the Swedish league format . . would anyone like to put us in the pic? ;-)

Dont they run Heat 2 and 11 reserve heats?

Would have to look back at rest of race format but is different after heat 3 i think

Edited December 15, 2013 by stevebrum

[Brummie Kev]

 

Did someone post that the top 3 riders have to line up at 1, 3 and 5, although in any order? Or did I dream that?

 

I put it on the BSPA AGM thread in the General section last week, your highest averaged rider doesnt have to ride at 1 but your top 3 must ride 1, 3 or 5. Also you have the guest option if ANY of your top 5 are out. Drury said it at last weeks Brummies talk in.

[Tsunami]

 

I put it on the BSPA AGM thread in the General section last week, your highest averaged rider doesnt have to ride at 1 but your top 3 must ride 1, 3 or 5. Also you have the guest option if ANY of your top 5 are out. Drury said it at last weeks Brummies talk in.

Pity that the usual critics above don't pay more attention to what you post. Mean changing the habits of a lifetime mind.

[iand]

 

I put it on the BSPA AGM thread in the General section last week, your highest averaged rider doesnt have to ride at 1 but your top 3 must ride 1, 3 or 5. Also you have the guest option if ANY of your top 5 are out. Drury said it at last weeks Brummies talk in.

i'm sure i read on twitter when the Kings Lynn team was announced, that if a rider in the top 5 pulls out injured during a meeting that any rider below him can take a R/R ride.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

Rob and Buster said it would be similar to the Swedish league format . . would anyone like to put us in the pic? ;-)

Swedish format:

 

1 2 v 1 2

6 7 v 6 7

3 4 v 3 4

6 5 v 5 7

2 7 v 6 4

3 4 v 1 2

1 2 v 3 4

3 4 v 5 7

6 5 v 1 2

1 7 v 6 5

6 7 v 6 7

5 4 v 3 2

3 2 v 1 4

1 5 v 3 5

N N v N N

[RobMcCaffery]

The Swedish formula doesn't meet the BEL's requirement to keep reserves away from heat leaders.

 

It's not that difficult to programme the reserves' rides, two all-reserve races then four heats featuring reserves and second strings. That gives the four reserves four rides and the second strings two each.

 

Then, assuming they continue with fourteen heats plus a nominated race there are eight heats left in which to give the six heat-leaders four rides each and the four second strings their other two rides each.

 

Assuming the second-strings ride with a heat-leader in their remaining rides that takes up four of the remaining eight heats, leaving four all heat-leader races. Now, this 'grading' of meetings does stand a chance of levelling-out abilities in given heats and gives us four all-star races plus the nominated but I do wonder how this will be accepted by heat-leaders once they see the final formula. They are clearly going to haver to work harder for their points with no rides with reserves and only half their programmed rides with a second string.

 

It's already acknowledged that it will be impossible to compare the averages of the reserves with the top five without a conversion ratio similar to the comparison between leagues, but a similar procedure will have to be taken to adjust for second-strings having half their races against the reserves.

 

I'd suggest team-building in 2015 isn't going to be easy.

 

I do hope this cost-cutting/encourage young talent scheme works, despite history suggesting it's unlikely - my main hope is that by effectively having four grades of racing (all-reserve, second-string-reserve, second-string-heat leader and all heat leader) on a more formalised basis than before we might see closer action with inequalities of riding ability smoothed-out.

 

Now, as another poster has mentioned, once you made all those segregations you've got to even-out riders racing against the same opponent too often and giving an even spread of gates. I suspect that's going to take some time and I do look forward to seeing the result.

 

Just to give a small indication of the problem, let's assume we start the meeting as before:

 

1 2 v 1 2

6 7 v 6 7

3 4 v 3 4

 

All pretty logical so far. What do you do in heat 4? Obviously the two fives should get a ride, but who with? If it's a second-string it's got to be number two to avoid two rides on the trot delays. But the two twos met in heat one - do you want the two rides with heat-leaders to be against their direct opposite number?

 

So, maybe you use another heat-leader. Again, only number 1 is 'available'. That's probably the way out, but I think you can see how tricky this could be.

 

I do wish the complier luck.