Bagpuss Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Early days but potentially the home no.5 looks to have the hardest evening and the home 6 the easiest. Depends of course on how teams line up, we could see some creative riding orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The tactical zone sure sounds totally awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) The bspa wording does not make it clear if the top rider rides at number 1 and second two can be either 3 or 5. It says that the top three riders in MA ride at 1, 3 or 5. I read this as the top rider does not have to be in the No 1 position and 1,3 and 5 are the top three riders in any order. 4th and 5th can ride at 2 or 4. Riders 6 and 7 can ride at 6 or 7. If the top three riders can ride in any of those three positions it makes the line ups very interesting and an order that may change home and away. Apart from that, the top riders meeting each other more is better for the fans but as I mentioned way back in this thread it may not be for the top riders pay. Edited February 28, 2014 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think it looks good from a fans viewpoint and for TV...most races look competitive which hasn't always been the case For a sport dominated by averages and where fractions of a point can put a rider out of a team place there are going to be a lot of false averages , both high and low..run of the mill riders will end up with a really good average so something must be decided early about limits and strengths for the following season On the whole though it looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So the new format is announced. Now where are those 'massive implications' and 'major disasters' for the future of speedway that some were going on about?! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So the new format is announced. Now where are those 'massive implications' and 'major disasters' for the future of speedway that some were going on about?! We will see. I'm not convinced yet.. Only time will tell. I wouldn't want to spoil your fun, so please don't stop your laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So the new format is announced. Now where are those 'massive implications' and 'major disasters' for the future of speedway that some were going on about?! I'll tell yer what they are, it's all the race cards being printed off. There's an overload on the national grid cos of it 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 now we've got it, put up & shut up. Lets draw a thick black line under all this negative stuff & see what happens. If it all does go ** up please fell free to say i told you so. Until then lets enjoy the new season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I'll tell yer what they are, it's all the race cards being printed off. There's an overload on the national grid cos of it And everybody reading it is slowing down the response time on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I did notice that it was said earlier that the National league draft riders wouldn't meet heatleaders, well if a tac ride heatleader is put in heat 7 this WILL happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 OMG .. people will able to print off there own race cards ..the evil plan has been stopped . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The new rules will be released this afternoon. Hopefully the whining anoraks will be much happier The discussion's obviously been way over your head. Shame really. Here's the deal - you keep screaming and the rest of us 'anoraks' will do the thinking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I did notice that it was said earlier that the National league draft riders wouldn't meet heatleaders, well if a tac ride heatleader is put in heat 7 this WILL happen. I think you may be getting "tac rides" and tactical substitutes mixed up? You can't change the line ups other than for rider or reserve replacements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The bspa wording does not make it clear if the top rider rides at number 1 and second two can be either 3 or 5. It says that the top three riders in MA ride at 1, 3 or 5. I read this as the top rider does not have to be in the No 1 position and 1,3 and 5 are the top three riders in any order. 4th and 5th can ride at 2 or 4. Riders 6 and 7 can ride at 6 or 7. If the top three riders can ride in any of those three positions it makes the line ups very interesting Apart from that, the top riders meeting each other more is better for the fans but as I mentioned way back in this thread it may not be for the top riders pay. THAT's perfectly normal. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think you may be getting "tac rides" and tactical substitutes mixed up? You can't change the line ups other than for rider or reserve replacements Oh yes, my Bad That will teach me to read thoroughly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The bspa wording does not make it clear if the top rider rides at number 1 and second two can be either 3 or 5. It says that the top three riders in MA ride at 1, 3 or 5. I read this as the top rider does not have to be in the No 1 position and 1,3 and 5 are the top three riders in any order. 4th and 5th can ride at 2 or 4. Riders 6 and 7 can ride at 6 or 7. If the top three riders can ride in any of those three positions it makes the line ups very interesting Apart from that, the top riders meeting each other more is better for the fans but as I mentioned way back in this thread it may not be for the top riders pay. I think it is clear. The press release says that the top three ride at 1, 3 or 5 and 4th and 5th at 2 or 4. If it was fixed, it would say something like 1, 3 AND 5 - the use of "or" surely makes it clear that positioning within the given constraints is up to teams? As you say, it will make line-ups very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) It does look fairly balanced in that all 3 heat leaders meet each other twice- but I think it might have worked better switching the away team reserve in heats 4 and 14. Heat 4: 4&6 v 2&7 (make this 2&6) Heat 14: 4&7 v 4&6 (make this 4&7) This way all reserves would meet 3x during the meeting (instead of home #6 meeting away #6 twice but away #7 four times). Still intrigued to know how the averages will be worked out and therefore scaled beyond 2014.. EDIT: or maybe a better alternative, change heat 4 to 4&7 v 2&7 and 14 to 4&6 v 2&6. This way the reserves also meet both second strings too. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.1. 2 1 2 1 2 0 02. 1 2 1 1 1 1 13. 2 1 2 1 2 0 04. 1 2 1 1 1 1 15. 2 0 2 2 2 0 06. 0 1 0 1 0 3 37. 0 1 0 1 0 3 3 Edited February 28, 2014 by Tkdandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So the new format is announced. Now where are those 'massive implications' and 'major disasters' for the future of speedway that some were going on about?! For the umpteenth time, it's not the format that has been the concern - but you choose to ignore whilst trying to be smart. Watch this space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 How will the averages be worked out given the new race format ? No problems with the format but it does look like we have moved the goalposts re : average calculation given that Heat Leaders ( 1/3/5 ) do not ride against reserves any more ... Anybody out there in the know? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) How will the averages be worked out given the new race format ? No problems with the format but it does look like we have moved the goalposts re : average calculation given that Heat Leaders ( 1/3/5 ) do not ride against reserves any more ... Anybody out there in the know? Cheers I don't think there are too many Professors on this Forum. Edited February 28, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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