Hodgy Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I have no idea if its sorted or not. Nor do i profuse if the race format will or wont bring up problems. If people seriously think that the race format isn't known yet and the reason why it isn't is because it hasn't been made public yet i would suggest that you and others might be on the wind up. No idea what you are selling but I'll buy it, enough said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 If people seriously think that the race format isn't known yet and the reason why it isn't is because it hasn't been made public yet I guess you got that the wrong way round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Probably been sorted for a while i should imagine brum. Cant say i'm losing any sleep over not knowing it, and it certainly wont have any bearing on me attending some Elite meetings either... Try telling that to some on here! No I'm not. I clearly stated that I believed that Prices should be about the same in BOTH Elite and Premier Leagues. That would be crazy. ALL top leagues are more expensive because of the higher grade of sportsman. ALL leagues would benefit by cheaper admission and attract more onto the terraces. No idea what you are selling but I'll buy it, enough said. Makes no difference if you buy or nit. Just an opinion like the rest. I guess you got that the wrong way round In your opinion, which means i`m probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) No it doesn't, It suggest that the BSPA aren't allowing anyone to see it so they can go print off their own free programmes. If you honestly believe that, your cultured upbringing must have been so protected, you actually know very little. To me speedway is all about enjoyment. The entrance fee for just myself is of little concern, whether I buy a programme is irrelevant, not important. What is important is the product. With this new format of protected heats, the knock-on effect COULD ruin, what was once a enjoyable night out. The ONLY reason, we are still waiting, is because of issues with this new format. To me that's a worry, but to you, it's all about saving a quid spent on a programme. Welcome to the real world........ Edited February 20, 2014 by GRW123 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Should the prices have been lowered in the EL? i think so the most dangerous thing for me are the promoters taking the diehard supporter for granted.?A quid here and there won't make a difference to me i shall always go, but i know a couple of people who regularly go but who do other things as well (ie football).They might think certain meeting,s are not value for money and won't bother going these kind of supporters are the ones speedway desperately need to keep. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Should the prices have been lowered in the EL? i think so the most dangerous thing for me are the promoters taking the diehard supporter for granted.?A quid here and there won't make a difference to me i shall always go, but i know a couple of people who regularly go but who do other things as well (ie football).They might think certain meeting,s are not value for money and won't bother going these kind of supporters are the ones speedway desperately need to keep. As ive said before you have to wonder what the price would be had changes not been made. I think theyve realised a price increase would have gone to far and tried to keep it affordable for fans to attend as much as they can. Its cheaper for me this season at Coventry so im not grumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 As ive said before you have to wonder what the price would be had changes not been made. I think theyve realised a price increase would have gone to far and tried to keep it affordable for fans to attend as much as they can. Its cheaper for me this season at Coventry so im not grumbling.Thats good that it is cheaper for you "woz,at Swindon which is really annoying i believe? that the owners take the profits of the drinks,food,programmes,and car parking so none of that money goes back into the club.If this was not the case,i have always thought maybe the club could give everyone a voucher say for a drink or whatever a gesture in a way.This hopefully persuades the fan maybe to spend more which then profits the club i have never expected the prices to be lowered speedway will never be a ten pound sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you rent the stadium to stage speedway, there's not much you can do to stop the owner/leaseholder taking the profits from the catering. A voucher could be possible, but it would have to be in the contract with the owner/leaseholder. It could be a reciprocal marketing tool - e.g. if the voucher leads to an improvement in sales, then the club may can negotiate a better rental cost. Not exactly a win/win though ... who carries the cost if the voucher offer makes a net loss? Great point ,if you pay rental for a property it amazes me that the profits of certain areas go to the owner.Like you said who takes the loss,?for the voucher just an idea really my take on it is if somebody thinks they are getting a freebie(ie drink (ect) they often spend more on something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) If you honestly believe that, your cultured upbringing must have been so protected, you actually know very little. The ONLY reason, we are still waiting, is because of issues with this new format. To me that's a worry, but to you, it's all about saving a quid spent on a programme. Welcome to the real world........ And in the real World you are assuming that is the ONLY reason, because like me and anyone else speculating on this thread you don't know. Seeing as you give the impression you know more than me can you give me any information or links to confirm that you are correct? Don`t know what World you live in if you think a programme is a quid. At least my World is much clearer than yours. Edited February 20, 2014 by stevebrum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Makes no difference if you buy or nit. Just an opinion like the rest. now I know You will just think I'm Nit Picking!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 now I know You will just think I'm Nit Picking!!! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) How about the draft reserves start 15m forward when up against any of the top three riders? Edited February 20, 2014 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 And in the real World you are assuming that is the ONLY reason, because like me and anyone else speculating on this thread you don't know. No, I don't know the reasons why at this late stage we are still waiting the new Format. But what I am doing, is giving the Promoters some credit, in thinking they would have made an announcement before now, had it been straight forward. No. it is very worrying, for whatever the problems that has caused this. If, as you say, the announcement has been delayed, purely to generate a few extra quid from programme sales, I for one, would give up speedway, on the grounds of contempt from the Promoters. Seeing as you give the impression you know more than me can you give me any information or links to confirm that you are correct? Correct or not.... Common sense is the basis of most opinions. And treating people, how I like them to treat me has served me well. If I thought the BSPA was taking me for a fool, then I would pack-up going..... Don`t know what World you live in if you think a programme is a quid. Again, an irrelevant issue. 1 pound, 2 makes little difference. I cannot imagine, there being masses of supporters printing out their own version of the program to save a FEW QUID. But to you, to think this was a real important, says something of the way you think. At least my World is much clearer than yours. To live in my world, you need to have your eyes open, All the time.........and not assume everything is as you imagined it to be...... Thanks for your reply........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Make sure folks that you don't look at the updates for the first match of the season otherwise you will be able print your race card out and stop the evil plans of the bspa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 And in the real World you are assuming that is the ONLY reason, because like me and anyone else speculating on this thread you don't know. No, I don't know the reasons why at this late stage we are still waiting the new Format. But what I am doing, is giving the Promoters some credit, in thinking they would have made an announcement before now, had it been straight forward. No. it is very worrying, for whatever the problems that has caused this. If, as you say, the announcement has been delayed, purely to generate a few extra quid from programme sales, I for one, would give up speedway, on the grounds of contempt from the Promoters. Seeing as you give the impression you know more than me can you give me any information or links to confirm that you are correct? Correct or not.... Common sense is the basis of most opinions. And treating people, how I like them to treat me has served me well. If I thought the BSPA was taking me for a fool, then I would pack-up going..... Don`t know what World you live in if you think a programme is a quid. Again, an irrelevant issue. 1 pound, 2 makes little difference. I cannot imagine, there being masses of supporters printing out their own version of the program to save a FEW QUID. But to you, to think this was a real important, says something of the way you think. At least my World is much clearer than yours. To live in my world, you need to have your eyes open, All the time.........and not assume everything is as you imagined it to be...... Thanks for your reply........... You are putting `common sense` and `BSPA decisions` together to explain your rationale. Good luck on that. What you class as irrelevant is your own choice. The price of a programme, much like the cost of Speedway to attend are very relevant points. If you believe that people DON'T care about printing there own race programmes then it does say more about you than me. Plenty do and have no interest in programmes anymore - so to some it is a very big deal to know what they format is. I will even go as far as saying i will be surprised if there IS an announcement telling us what the new heat format is. Maybe to you that shows the BSPA have little respect for you as a paying customer/supporter. There will be plenty others that don't need to see the new format until they are at a meeting. It is clear you have a belief about this new format and an announcement forthcoming that fits with your `being treated as i like to be treated`. Good luck with that. I care about EL Speedway and its future and the future of the next generation. But if you think i am going to be over concerned about an announcement confirming the new race format then you will be mistaken. Eyes wide open with full vision, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm a bit puzzled. Why, if the Elite League is watering down it's quality in order to save costs oops!! - bring on British Riders, does it not water down the Entrance Prices too? .....................or - have they? Why doesn't the Premier League? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Make sure folks that you don't look at the updates for the first match of the season otherwise you will be able print your race card out and stop the evil plans of the bspa There are hoards of people waiting to see the new race format so they can do just that. You need full vision to ignore the amount of people filling out their own print offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I have free race programme for each meeting with my coventry bees season ticket so as we already know there is still 15 heats, I don't mind finding out the race format at the time. Not long now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 36 pages and we will find out when the bspa feel ready to release it. Why are some people so frantic to know? we will find out before the season starts. It won't change anything and people won't refuse to go because they are unhappy with the race format. Chill people and just relax in the knowledge that whatever the heat format, Poole will be winning as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 36 pages and we will find out when the bspa feel ready to release it. Why are some people so frantic to know? we will find out before the season starts. It won't change anything and people won't refuse to go because they are unhappy with the race format. Chill people and just relax in the knowledge that whatever the heat format, Poole will be winning as usual. The point is people should know they are entitled to know they are the paying customer does MICKY MOUSE strike a cord Steve.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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