The White Knight Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm a bit puzzled. Why, if the Elite League is watering down it's quality in order to save costs oops!! - bring on British Riders, does it not water down the Entrance Prices too? .....................or - have they? Just wondering. I envy the people who just see the world in black and white (and I'm not talking tactical here). Good job - I might get upset. :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 He has only got a point if the new format has created any problems and we don't know that. The fact that it hasn't been released with less than four weeks to go before the season does rather suggest that there IS a problem, eh? It has all the hallmarks of a BSPA bodge - let the public find out when it's too late for them to point out the faults and hope they'll be too happy that the new season's arrived to bother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm a bit puzzled. Why, if the Elite League is watering down it's quality in order to save costs oops!! - bring on British Riders, does it not water down the Entrance Prices too? .....................or - have they? Just wondering. Good job - I might get upset. :mad: When's the PL dropping its prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 When's the PL dropping its prices? Crucially SCB the Premier League is NOT reducing it's QUALITY. It will be about the same as it has always been. Unlike the Elite League who's Teams will consist of almost one third NATIONAL League Riders. Ergo - no need for Premier League Promoters to reduce Prices. I wasn't asking about the Premier League though. You CANNOT answer a question with a question!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 For me and my family it is now £3 cheaper to watch home meetings at Brandon this season. Admission could have actually gone up if changes wasnt made, I wonder what this forum wouldve said about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 He has only got a point if the new format has created any problems and we don't know that. The fact that a lot of fans are upset shows that is has created a problem otherwise we would not be talking about it ...the fact they they have not been able to sort out the format 3 weeks before the season is also a problem ..of course to you it does not matter but as we have seen to others it does . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Crucially SCB the Premier League is NOT reducing it's QUALITY. It will be about the same as it has always been. Unlike the Elite League who's Teams will consist of almost one third NATIONAL League Riders. Ergo - no need for Premier League Promoters to reduce Prices. I wasn't asking about the Premier League though. You CANNOT answer a question with a question!! If it hadn't been for certain PL promoters raising merry hell and running scared at the prospect of EL dropping their prices, then the EL would certainly have been cheaper - for at least 2 of the ELs top clubs I could name!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The fact that it hasn't been released with less than four weeks to go before the season does rather suggest that there IS a problem, eh? No it doesn't, It suggest that the BSPA aren't allowing anyone to see it so they can go print off their own free programmes. The fact that a lot of fans are upset shows that is has created a problem otherwise we would not be talking about it ...the fact they they have not been able to sort out the format 3 weeks before the season is also a problem ..of course to you it does not matter but as we have seen to others it does . Who says it ISN'T sorted out?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 No it doesn't, It suggest that the BSPA aren't allowing anyone to see it so they can go print off their own free programmes. Who says it ISN'T sorted out?? No it doesn't, It suggest that the BSPA aren't allowing anyone to see it so they can go print off their own free programmes. ..a master plan, they are not allowing it as they don't want the public to print of there programmes for one match ...you come up with some classics but this tops the lot . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 ..a master plan, they are not allowing it as they don't want the public to print of there programmes for one match ...you come up with some classics but this tops the lot . Call it what you like, but that is nearer the truth. But i would expect you to be part of the gang moaning for the sake of moaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It really is time the BSPA released this. You get the impression it is a state secret! For god's sake start promoting the sport.... Since when have the British Speedway PROMOTERS Association ever Promoted the sport? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Crucially SCB the Premier League is NOT reducing it's QUALITY. It will be about the same as it has always been. Unlike the Elite League who's Teams will consist of almost one third NATIONAL League Riders. Ergo - no need for Premier League Promoters to reduce Prices. I wasn't asking about the Premier League though. You CANNOT answer a question with a question!! The EL is only £1-£2 dearer than most PL clubs anyway. Are you suggesting that the EL should have lower admission than the PL ? According to the owners of the clubs concerned Peterborough lost £100,000 last year and Eastbourne lost £70,000. I don't know if any other losses have been published but my understanding is that only two EL clubs made a profit and one other ,fell a little short of breaking even.. Several others made big losses. Swindon couldn't afford to pay their riders. This is no joking matter. How can you seriously suggest prices should be reduced ? As a principle perhaps but in the world of economics the next step would be going out of business. Nobody likes paying £17 but I doubt whether many promoters are overjoyed at the prospect of losing tens of thousands of pounds either. The sport is in dire straits financially (as are many others) and there is no easy answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The EL is only £1-£2 dearer than most PL clubs anyway. Are you suggesting that the EL should have lower admission than the PL ? No - about the same Price would be more or less right. Top Riders plus two National Leaguers. According to the owners of the clubs concerned Peterborough lost £100,000 last year and Eastbourne lost £70,000. I don't know if any other losses have been published but my understanding is that only two EL clubs made a profit and one other ,fell a little short of breaking even.. Several others made big losses. Swindon couldn't afford to pay their riders. This is no joking matter. How can you seriously suggest prices should be reduced ? As a principle perhaps but in the world of economics the next step would be going out of business. Nobody likes paying £17 but I doubt whether many promoters are overjoyed at the prospect of losing tens of thousands of pounds either. The sport is in dire straits financially (as are many others) and there is no easy answer. NO - you are right there isn't an easy answer. Charging TOP Prices, though, for what will include at least a couple of National League Races seems to me to be exhorbitant. To answer your question regarding the lowering of Prices - yes I am suggesting that. Remember that you are selling a lesser Product than last year. My reasoning is simple - if folk think that they are getting value for money they will come - if they feel they aren't - they won't. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 To answer your question regarding the lowering of Prices - yes I am suggesting that. Remember that you are selling a lesser Product than last year. My reasoning is simple - if folk think that they are getting value for money they will come - if they feel they aren't - they won't. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! You ARE suggesting that EL Speedway should be cheaper than the PL??? Even tho its a `lesser` product it is still a way stronger product than the PL. I am not talking in terms of racing before the PL snobs start jumping all over that comment. Speedway SHOULD be a cheaper product - FULL STOP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 No it doesn't, It suggest that the BSPA aren't allowing anyone to see it so they can go print off their own free programmes. Who says it ISN'T sorted out?? So peeps are just moaning for the sake of it, it's top secret in order to prevent anyone printing their own free programme and it's all sorted? You are either a member of the BSPA or just on a wind up. Your comments are not serious, surely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 To answer your question regarding the lowering of Prices - yes I am suggesting that. Remember that you are selling a lesser Product than last year. My reasoning is simple - if folk think that they are getting value for money they will come - if they feel they aren't - they won't. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! Interestingly in one breath you agree with me that there is no easy answer, and in the next breath you say "it really is that simple", Which is it ? What do you say in answer to stevebrums question are you suggesting that the EL should be cheaper than PL ? The matter of whether folk are getting value for money is a subjective test. Plenty of people come on here and post that in their opinion the PL is better racing, so in their eyes its got nothing to do with a lesser standard of rider.. Reducing the admission is still not going to put several hundred on the gate . Of more importance IMO is having top stars present whiich we still have. . If Coventry are in town its Hans Andersen and Chris Harris that I want to see. It makes no odds to me (and I daresay plenty of others ) whether Jason Garrity is at reserve or Adam Roynon. When Belle Vue are down Matej Zagar is the one that brings the punters in and he will still be there. Are you really saying that people will stay away because for £17 they want to see Ales Dryml at No 6 or 7 ? Anyway Newcastle are unaffected by all this so I don't really see what you are getting exercised about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 So peeps are just moaning for the sake of it, it's top secret in order to prevent anyone printing their own free programme and it's all sorted? You are either a member of the BSPA or just on a wind up. Your comments are not serious, surely. I have no idea if its sorted or not. Nor do i profuse if the race format will or wont bring up problems. If people seriously think that the race format isn't known yet and the reason why it isn't is because it hasn't been made public yet i would suggest that you and others might be on the wind up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I have no idea if its sorted or not. Nor do i profuse if the race format will or wont bring up problems. If people seriously think that the race format isn't known yet and the reason why it isn't is because it hasn't been made public yet i would suggest that you and others might be on the wind up. Probably been sorted for a while i should imagine brum. Cant say i'm losing any sleep over not knowing it, and it certainly wont have any bearing on me attending some Elite meetings either... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 To answer your question regarding the lowering of Prices - yes I am suggesting that. Remember that you are selling a lesser Product than last year. My reasoning is simple - if folk think that they are getting value for money they will come - if they feel they aren't - they won't. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!! Stats time 70 riders in the EL Only 16 of those are DU from the Premier League 14 NL riders in the EL 8 NL riders in the PL Only 4 NL are in all 3 Leagues = 37% are PL / NL riders = 63% of the Elite League riders are to good for the Premier League That 63% only equats to an extra £2 maximum enterance fee over the Premier League Conclusion: The Elite League in terms of value is the better £1 for £1 product 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) You ARE suggesting that EL Speedway should be cheaper than the PL??? Even tho its a `lesser` product it is still a way stronger product than the PL. I am not talking in terms of racing before the PL snobs start jumping all over that comment. Speedway SHOULD be a cheaper product - FULL STOP. No I'm not. I clearly stated that I believed that Prices should be about the same in BOTH Elite and Premier Leagues. I also agree that Speedway should be cheaper - I have heard of folk who can't afford to go. Interestingly in one breath you agree with me that there is no easy answer, and in the next breath you say "it really is that simple", Which is it ? What do you say in answer to stevebrums question are you suggesting that the EL should be cheaper than PL ? The matter of whether folk are getting value for money is a subjective test. Plenty of people come on here and post that in their opinion the PL is better racing, so in their eyes its got nothing to do with a lesser standard of rider.. Reducing the admission is still not going to put several hundred on the gate . Of more importance IMO is having top stars present whiich we still have. . If Coventry are in town its Hans Andersen and Chris Harris that I want to see. It makes no odds to me (and I daresay plenty of others ) whether Jason Garrity is at reserve or Adam Roynon. When Belle Vue are down Matej Zagar is the one that brings the punters in and he will still be there. Are you really saying that people will stay away because for £17 they want to see Ales Dryml at No 6 or 7 ? Anyway Newcastle are unaffected by all this so I don't really see what you are getting exercised about. There is no easy answer to Speedway's overall problems. However, give folk value for money and that will surely help with Attendances won't it? That part of the argument IS simple. Edited February 19, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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