orion Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 What about people who do not want to blindly renew their season tickets before they know what the 'product' is. Don't worry about them ..Fans just turn up at Speedway who cares about the format or the teams as long as it's £16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Don't ever, anyone tell me, this is a POSITIVE way to promote a Sports League. I've read some crap in my time, but some of the posts on here have to be seen to be believed. With only a month to go before the tapes go up, we have had no format announced, no rule changes heard, No plans laid out, and some on here, say its a PR stunt, Yeah right.!!!! The reason we have heard anything is because of all the problems and issues this new format creates. And if you don't realise that your thicker then you let on.. All speedway fans should be concerned, cause this could have massive implication..... So instead of taking the rise out of some posters who show their concern, I would think a bit more before criticising them.... We're all in this together........ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Which is EXACTLY what I said. Indeed, nice to be on the same page! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Simple answer is NOTHING............. 80% of English folk (I am English before anyone starts) are never happy unless they are moaning and being generally negative about everything with everyone they come into contact with............... (out of interest they are known as "mood hoovers"). So in short the answer is nothing? Does moaning about people moaning also constitute moaning... The powers that be have really F'd up this time in my opinion - thus justifying supporters genuine concerns. They could have done something, admit they made a rash decision and the impact of such a decision is unmanageable. Or bury their heads and await the Grim Reaper. I would honestly like to be proven wrong but just can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Does moaning about people moaning also constitute moaning... The powers that be have really F'd up this time in my opinion - thus justifying supporters genuine concerns. They could have done something, admit they made a rash decision and the impact of such a decision is unmanageable. Or bury their heads and await the Grim Reaper. I would honestly like to be proven wrong but just can't see it. Nice one. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Does moaning about people moaning also constitute moaning... The powers that be have really F'd up this time in my opinion - thus justifying supporters genuine concerns. They could have done something, admit they made a rash decision and the impact of such a decision is unmanageable. Or bury their heads and await the Grim Reaper. I would honestly like to be proven wrong but just can't see it. But it's a pr stunt ! so people won't be able to print there own Formula for the first meeting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Just WHY are people stressing over a blooming race formula??No doubt it is known and awaiting confirmation - if it hasn't already.I don't blame the promotions for not letting anyone know the format yet. Why should they give details just so people can go print there own formula!It is simply - if you REALLY want to know the formula get to the first meeting you can and BUY a programme.Good PR as far as i can see ;-)As is the usual, Speedway fans moaning about anything and everything.For me, i will know the format when i attend my first team meeting of the year. Why would i stress over something before that!!Just saying You really are not getting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) You really are not getting this. I get the importance of the format being right and protecting the reserves. I get it all. What i don't get is people moaning about what the format will be, if it is actually ready and formulated, whether it is an easy thing to re-design or not and why we as paying customers dont know what the format is yet. Moaning for moaning sake as per some Speedway fans IMHO. Edited February 18, 2014 by stevebrum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I get the importance of the format being right and protecting the reserves. I get it all. What i don't get is people moaning about what the format will be, if it is actually ready and formulated, whether it is an easy thing to re-design or not and why we as paying customers dont know what the format is yet. Moaning for moaning sake as per some Speedway fans IMHO. Well stop moaning then Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I get the importance of the format being right and protecting the reserves.I get it all.What i don't get is people moaning about what the format will be, if it is actually ready and formulated, whether it is an easy thing to re-design or not and why we as paying customers dont know what the format is yet.Moaning for moaning sake as per some Speedway fans IMHO. You are not convincing me that you get it all. Peeps are not moaning about the format, more concerned with the impact and implications of the new structure. I do admire your positivity but you don't appear to be debating more than just the heat formula, it's much more than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Don't ever, anyone tell me, this is a POSITIVE way to promote a Sports League. I've read some crap in my time, but some of the posts on here have to be seen to be believed. With only a month to go before the tapes go up, we have had no format announced, no rule changes heard, No plans laid out, and some on here, say its a PR stunt, Yeah right.!!!! The reason we have heard anything is because of all the problems and issues this new format creates. And if you don't realise that your thicker then you let on.. All speedway fans should be concerned, cause this could have massive implication..... So instead of taking the rise out of some posters who show their concern, I would think a bit more before criticising them.... We're all in this together........ Well stop criticising those that don't agree with your opinion then!!! What is this 'massive implication'? For whom? So some changes are being introduced (its not as if that doesn't happen every winter is it?!), which may or may not go as planned. If they don't, then I expect that they will change them again?! Edited February 19, 2014 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well stop moaning then Steve. I`m happy to wait, just sick of the moaning, so thought id have a moan about it You are not convincing me that you get it all. Peeps are not moaning about the format, more concerned with the impact and implications of the new structure. I do admire your positivity but you don't appear to be debating more than just the heat formula, it's much more than that. Of course people are moaning about the format. The format may cause the impact and provide implications of the new structure. MAY! However still lots of assumptions about the impact and implications that it may cause. The problem appears to be that many are making sweeping concerns about what the implications will be - we don't know if there will be any yet BECAUSE of the format! There is nothing wrong in being concerned about its impact. But i am always amazed people can debate on stuff that they assume may or may not happen, hence the comment moaning for moaning sake. I have no problem in waiting to see what the new format will be and will then make an informed opinion on its merits. No doubt Speedway fans will hate anything that has a hint of change about it. I am from a culture whereby change is progress so i am looking forward to seeing what these changes bring to the table. So likewise, i am not convinced some aren't moaning for moaning sake. What about people who do not want to blindly renew their season tickets before they know what the 'product' is. They already know what the product is. The only thing they don't know is the race format 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) The reason we have heard anything is because of all the problems and issues this new format creates. And if you don't realise that your thicker then you let on.. As ever, those who are unable to accept that anyone can have a view contrary to their own, have to turn to personal insults instead of producing facts to support their suppositions. Edited February 19, 2014 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 As ever, those who are unable to accept that anyone can have a view contrary to their own, have to turn to personal insults instead of producing facts to support their suppositions. Very true ...but he has got a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very true ...but he has got a point He has got a point, but so has stevebrum IMO. Only time will tell how it pans out. I know some take a different view but personally I don't see the point of getting worked up about something we have no control over . Whatever happens we are going to start the season with two NL reserves in each team, and we are going to have a heat format that accommodates that arrangement for better or for worse. Nothing will change that now. Not sure it justifies a thread 33 pages long Just a shame that people resort to calling others thick, apart from when its by way of good natured banter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very true ...but he has got a point He has only got a point if the new format has created any problems and we don't know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It really is time the BSPA released this. You get the impression it is a state secret! For god's sake start promoting the sport.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 He has got a point, but so has stevebrum IMO. Just a shame that people resort to calling others thick, apart from when its by way of good natured banter. We ALL have opinions and points. Whether some are relevant is the point. But of course those who lack a point will always resort to name calling. It really is time the BSPA released this. You get the impression it is a state secret! For god's sake start promoting the sport.... And promoting what the new race format is is promoting?? But i agree we are a few weeks away from the new season and we should have an organisational body promoting our great sport at this stage of the season. They don't know for certain what the product is, because it might be diluted (or strengthened?) by the format. As usual, it's the complete lack of faith/trust in the BSPA to come up with a workable solution that's resulting in all this debate. People find it easy to make generally negative assumptions because, in the case of the BSPA, they are rarely proved wrong. Of course we know what the product is! We know for some certainty there will be 2 reserve races (some will say diluting the programme). Team strengths have already dictated the product is diluted, but on the other hand for all those bemoaning the fact not enough is done for the future of British riders will still moan that its diluted further. I find it strange to believe anyone will still be unsure if the league this year is more diluted and because the race format hasn't yet been published might not re-new a season ticket in case its further diluted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The BSPA are a bunch of muppets. Wait and see is your best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I envy the people who just see the world in black and white (and I'm not talking tactical here). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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