'speedway Riders - History, Results'

[Guest]

  On 11/26/2013 at 10:22 PM, waihekeaces1 said:

 

and how dare the site owner decide that a pair is not a team. what an insult to the likes of collins, morton, gundersen, nielsen etc. who won this event.

especially when the name of the site is "internationalspeeday.co.uk" - what a misleading title if you're not going to include ALL international speedway.

i'm going to sit in the corner and sulk until its fixed....

 

The owner acknowledges the existence of pairs but does not carry them except in a specialist situation. He explains that non-coverage of pairs is because pairs are not in context with what the site offers in regard to international team matches not because he doesn't like them.

 

This is the explanation by the site owner: "I have excluded pairs events, as i do not consider two riders to be a "team" in the context of this website. The only exceptions to this are (i) the World Team Cup, which was run as a pairs competition between 1994 and 1998, but whose results from that period are included for completeness of the records of that competition, and (ii) the Mitropa Cup, which has been a pairs competition in some years, but is especially interesting as it features some of the smaller central European countries."

Edited November 26, 2013 by Guest

[The White Knight]

  On 11/26/2013 at 9:42 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Not true actually, they've said on here they wouldn't..

 

 

After the way you have treated Frigbo on here - I'm not surprised.

[Mike.Butler]

I note Guest appearances are included. but what about no.8 rides? are they included? please confirm. thx

[June01]

  On 11/22/2013 at 1:30 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Is there anymore more stupid a thing than this so-called 'history' site on proboards completely ignoring the third tier racing record of riders?

Why on earth does it do that?

Completely nullifies any legitimacy of that site as being a full record of a rider's career.

Here's an example:

http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/444

 

Misses out all references to the meetings a double Conference/National League Riders Champ has ridden in the third tier!

Don't know if anyone on the BSF also deals with this 'proboards' site but if they do can they possibly explain..?!

I do find it ironic that your post slating us has instead promoted us. Thanks.

 

  On 11/22/2013 at 2:03 PM, Tkdandy said:

Personally I've found the site useful quite a few times over the years - although it's a shame it isn't database driven and 'fed' by Speedway Updates so as to eradicate the duplicated effort and to drive alternative analysis.

You're assuming the results come from speedway updates, but that's not the case (and I'm pretty sure they don't cover the 80s!). As great a resource as it is, there are often mistakes on websites, including the teams' own, and even, would you believe, the Speedway Star and the SCB? I don't use a single source for meeting results - often it's four, five, or even more to ensure they are as accurate as possible. That's why it often takes hours to do a single meeting result.

 

  On 11/25/2013 at 1:58 AM, waihekeaces1 said:

 

And a question for Frigbo: Is there a way that your databse could be configured so that all the averages for a particular season could be viewed, rather than by individual rider? (e.g. display 1982, and it ould show all averages for all riders for that season).

Yes. I was going to work on indexing riders year by year, and team by team eventually. Unfortunately I am only one person and I do have a life outside of this! Like Frigbo said, it's taken four years to get to this point, but it's a work in progress and I'm still finishing off a few results from this year at the moment. Will get more on there probably after Christmas.

 

As for the point of this website? Let's call it a hobby. Basically, if you don't like it, don't use it!

[The White Knight]

The above Post says it all really. Well done to them and YAH BOO SUCKS!! to certain others. :approve:

[June01]

  On 11/26/2013 at 7:47 PM, SCB said:

If someone just wanted to do EL/BL would that be wrong? Why is it not including Sweden and Poland?

Erm, it is! For the results side, anyway. And Germany, CZR, Denmark, Russia, Australia...

 

 

Results index:

 

http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/board/55/results-index

Edited November 27, 2013 by June01

[Guest]

  On 11/22/2013 at 1:30 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Is there anymore more stupid a thing than this so-called 'history' site on proboards completely ignoring the third tier racing record of riders?

Why on earth does it do that?

Completely nullifies any legitimacy of that site as being a full record of a rider's career.

Here's an example:

http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/444

 

Misses out all references to the meetings a double Conference/National League Riders Champ has ridden in the third tier!

Don't know if anyone on the BSF also deals with this 'proboards' site but if they do can they possibly explain..?!

 

 

  On 11/27/2013 at 3:10 PM, June01 said:

I do find it ironic that your post slating us has instead promoted us. Thanks.

 

 

 

I don't see how P1928's original post has achieved what you claim. Can you explain in what way?

[June01]

  On 11/27/2013 at 4:30 PM, gustix said:

 

 

 

I don't see how P1928's original post has achieved what you claim. Can you explain in what way?

Why am I not surprised? Promotion by exposure.

[The White Knight]

  On 11/27/2013 at 4:30 PM, gustix said:

 

 

 

I don't see how P1928's original post has achieved what you claim. Can you explain in what way?

 

 

No such thing as BAD publicity gustix my friend.

[Guest]

  On 11/27/2013 at 4:30 PM, gustix said:

 

 

 

I don't see how P1928's original post has achieved what you claim. Can you explain in what way?

 

 

  On 11/27/2013 at 4:47 PM, June01 said:

Why am I not surprised? Promotion by exposure.

 

 

  On 11/27/2013 at 6:05 PM, The White Knight said:

 

 

No such thing as BAD publicity gustix my friend.

 

Not from my professional experience of these matters. Just what does "promotion by exposure' mean?

[frigbo]

  On 11/27/2013 at 1:52 PM, Mike.Butler said:

I note Guest appearances are included. but what about no.8 rides? are they included? please confirm. thx

if a ride was taken.

  On 11/27/2013 at 7:50 PM, gustix said:

 

Not from my professional experience of these matters. Just what does "promotion by exposure' mean?

well it's brought us exposure as a talking point. Thankfully most see the site for what it really is - that can only be a positive!!

Edited November 27, 2013 by frigbo

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Well we all now know that a database which is meant to be of riders' racing records is completely flawed, as it misses out significant sections of their league racing careers. If that's exposure you like, then you sure got it!!

[June01]

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:35 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Well we all now know that a database which is meant to be of riders' racing records is completely flawed, as it misses out significant sections of their league racing careers. If that's exposure you like, then you sure got it!!

Well, half the things you've posted on here are blatantly incorrect and I haven't held it against you. Although your eyesight seems so bad that you should perhaps start to wonder if those records you keep banging on about are actually there after all, and you've just overlooked them.

Edited November 27, 2013 by June01

[The White Knight]

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:35 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Well we all now know that a database which is meant to be of riders' racing records is completely flawed, as it misses out significant sections of their league racing careers. If that's exposure you like, then you sure got it!!

 

 

My - but you do go on. :rolleyes:

 

To quote Vic Reeves - " You wouldn't let it lie would you - you wouldn't let it lie".

Edited November 27, 2013 by The White Knight

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:42 PM, June01 said:

Well, half the things you've posted on here are blatantly incorrect ....

Like what exactly..?

[June01]

  On 11/27/2013 at 9:18 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Like what exactly..?

 

All of these:

  On 11/22/2013 at 5:46 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

there is this website purporting to be a definitive record of Speedway riders' records

 

 

  On 11/25/2013 at 10:36 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

...putting together what is, as a result, a completely flawed data-base.

...because the site organisers are making it 100% clear on here they don't want it.

 

 

  On 11/26/2013 at 1:00 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

What this thread has done has shown how a data-base meant to be an account of riders' careers is deliberately tampered with to wipe out whole parts of such careers.

 

 

  On 11/26/2013 at 3:27 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

...the people compiling this site under discussion deliberately delete that info. from his 'record'...

And the mother of them all, from someone who was, a couple of pages back, bemoaning spurious comments made by others:

  On 11/26/2013 at 9:42 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Not true actually, they've said on here they wouldn't..

That's the end of my contribution, I'm afraid, unless there are any genuine questions.

Edited November 27, 2013 by June01

[Guest]

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:08 PM, frigbo said:

well it's brought us exposure as a talking point. Thankfully most see the site for what it really is - that can only be a positive!!

 

Sorry but I don't see it that way at all. I agree a little with "Thankfully most see the site for what it really is -" but would add "...missing much important data about riders' background in Third Tier speedway."

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:35 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Well we all now know that a database which is meant to be of riders' racing records is completely flawed, as it misses out significant sections of their league racing careers. If that's exposure you like, then you sure got it!!

P1928 gives a better clarification in regard to my own feelings about the failings of the site. It's no good trying to sweep under the carpet that important data is missing in regard to many riders.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Guest

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Er, there HAVE been very clear statements on here several times by those who put together this website, that they have no interest in including third tier (CL/NL) records; and let's be honest. the proof of the pudding is, in any case, for those to see.

Deliberately leaving out (in some cases) several years of riders' league racing career is tampering with such records in my book - what would you call it..? Being selective, I suppose!

You seem to take exception to the word 'deliberately'... But you've hardly left out Tai Woffinden's CL career record by accident have you... If it wasn't 'deliberate' to miss that out, what would you call it?

[Guest]

  On 11/27/2013 at 8:42 PM, June01 said:

Well, half the things you've posted on here are blatantly incorrect and I haven't held it against you. Although your eyesight seems so bad that you should perhaps start to wonder if those records you keep banging on about are actually there after all, and you've just overlooked them.

 

 

  On 11/27/2013 at 10:49 PM, Parsloes 1928 nearly said:

Er, there HAVE been very clear statements on here several times by those who put together this website, that they have no interest in including third tier (CL/NL) records; and let's be honest. the proof of the pudding is, in any case, for those to see.

Deliberately leaving out (in some cases) several years of riders' league racing career is tampering with such records in my book - what would you call it..? Being selective, I suppose!

You seem to take exception to the word 'deliberately'... But you've hardly left out Tai Woffinden's CL career record by accident have you... If it wasn't 'deliberate' to miss that out, what would you call it?

 

Tai Woffinden and his CL record...the classic unanswered question about a Third Tier speedway career.

[AndyJ]

I can't believe that this 'discussion' is still ongoing!

 

There has also been a very clear statement that the site would happily accept CL/NL data if somebody else would like to collate it for them. Before they put their site together the only apparent statistics in existence were either kept privately by various statisticians or published in books that people would need to purchase if wanting the information. Taking a selfless approach those behind the history site shared FOR FREE their efforts and you're still critical of the fact that, in addition to this, they didn't spend more of THEIR FREE TIME adding CL/NL. Personally I'd love the site to be a complete picture too but I recognise the fact that it isn't presently on their agenda and nobody is apparently volunteering their own free time to address this. Would you say that your continued criticisms are more or less likely to encourage them to add it? Hardly a productive way of tackling the problem!