500cc Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 No. That's not correct but we'll pretend it is because it's easier to moan about the untruth than the truth. It should be easy to work out with a bit of lateral thinking, but if you can't then it will become clear when the rules are published. What is the rule? Are second strings operating as supplementary reserves, or are the reserves as we know them today but with a change to their programmed rides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) NOTHING wrong with air-fences in principle, on the contrary, but they still have to be fitted and maintained properly. Not saying that this was the case at Coventry but Chris Holder would no doubt argue that he had a right and an expectation for it to prevent him sustaining the injuries that he did. Been at a couple of GPs this year when upon close examination by the Jury President and Referee the installed air-fence required considerable work before it was considered secure and effective. Not sure that all air-fences undergo that sort of scrutiny before all domestic meetings. A few weeks ago fans from virtually every track were united in their outrage of the disgraceful scenes played out in the Belle Vue v Poole meeting, and from you we get total silence , just the rather lame and convenient ,'I didn't watch it', the silence was deafening. Yet a meeting you weren't at, which wasn't on Sky, just You tube clips, you seek to pass judgement. The terrific speed that Holder hit the air fence, would have tested any air fence in the world. He is hardly the first rider to go under an air fence, and no doubt he won't be the last. Brandon is used regularly for stock car and Banger racing, so there is no way they can be permanently fixed to the track. You can hardly weld an airbag to a shale track. Like you lamely admit you have no evidence that the air fence wasn't fitted and maintained properly, yet it still didn't stop you making unfounded allegations. Edited November 25, 2013 by houdi 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 A few weeks ago fans from virtually every track were united in their outrage of the disgraceful scenes played out in the Belle Vue v Poole meeting, and from you we get total silence , just the rather lame and convenient ,'I didn't watch it', the silence was deafening. Yet a meeting you weren't at, which wasn't on Sky, just You tube clips, you seek to pass judgement. The terrific speed that Holder hit the air fence, would have tested any air fence in the world. He is hardly the first rider to go under an air fence, and no doubt he won't be the last. Brandon is used regularly for stock car and Banger racing, so there is no way they can be permanently fixed to the track. You can hardly weld an airbag to a shale track. Like you lamely admit you have no evidence that the air fence wasn't fitted and maintained properly, yet it still didn't stop you making unfounded allegations. That says it all. Your post is very very defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Phil, I have see riders go under the air fence at numerous elite league tracks over recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Phil, I have see riders go under the air fence at numerous elite league tracks over recent years. So have i, but not with these new Briggo ones, if they are D clipped properly at the back and hooked in properly at the top and a bit of shale left on the rubbers throughout the meeting with the weight of the fences, no they won't go anywhere. We have the fastest track in the country, and it hasn't happened at poole. They dissapeared into the air like there was NO air in them.. Edited November 25, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 That says it all. Your post is very very defensive. Air fences can be anchored from the back or from the underside (or both). If the Coventry air fence had been anchored from the underside then when the bike hit the fence it would not have risen as much as it actually did. Even allowing for the fact that the bike caused the fence to puncture, had it been secured lower down there would have been a great chance for Chris to have been saved from some, if not all of the injuries he sustained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Air fences can be anchored from the back or from the underside (or both). If the Coventry air fence had been anchored from the underside then when the bike hit the fence it would not have risen as much as it actually did. Even allowing for the fact that the bike caused the fence to puncture, had it been secured lower down there would have been a great chance for Chris to have been saved from some, if not all of the injuries he sustained. Thank you, see my above post.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 So have i, but not with these new Briggo ones, if they are D clipped properly at the back and hooked in properly at the top and a bit of shale left on the rubbers throughout the meeting with the weight of the fences, no they won't go anywhere. We have the fastest track in the country, and it hasn't happened at poole. They dissapeared into the air like there was NO air in them.. That's one of the best jokes ever on this forum.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Air fences can be anchored from the back or from the underside (or both). If the Coventry air fence had been anchored from the underside then when the bike hit the fence it would not have risen as much as it actually did. Even allowing for the fact that the bike caused the fence to puncture, had it been secured lower down there would have been a great chance for Chris to have been saved from some, if not all of the injuries he sustained. So have i, but not with these new Briggo ones, if they are D clipped properly at the back and hooked in properly at the top and a bit of shale left on the rubbers throughout the meeting with the weight of the fences, no they won't go anywhere. We have the fastest track in the country, and it hasn't happened at poole. They dissapeared into the air like there was NO air in them.. Fastest track in country, now thats funny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Fastest track in country, now thats funny Funny, you ask Bjarne Pedersen. Of course, you all know better, don't you... Silly me, i forgot. Edited November 25, 2013 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Funny, you ask Bjarne Pedersen. Of course, you all know better, don't you... Silly me, i forgot. Just do the maths, get your calculator out and do the maths, then come back to us..no rush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Just do the maths, get your calculator out and do the maths, then come back to us..no rush. Think what your trying to say is that P'Boros was a lot bigger than ours, so that automatically makes yours faster right? Somerset is also a quick track, and thats the same size as ours give a metre. Im not going to elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 NOTHING wrong with air-fences in principle, on the contrary, but they still have to be fitted and maintained properly. Not saying that this was the case at Coventry but Chris Holder would no doubt argue that he had a right and an expectation for it to prevent him sustaining the injuries that he did. Been at a couple of GPs this year when upon close examination by the Jury President and Referee the installed air-fence required considerable work before it was considered secure and effective. Not sure that all air-fences undergo that sort of scrutiny before all domestic meetings. Surely Phil,Chris or any other rider should get out and check the safety equipment before they start a meeting?It is their necks on the line just like most or all employees should check equipment is properly fitted/working?Even at school we were taught to check safety guerad etc when using machinery.Riders walk round and have a look at the track,but i can't remember any of them even taking a glance at the air fence!!! So, if the air fence at Coventry was 'incorrectly secured' - then surely Chris Holder has a financial case for loss or earnings to pursue v someone in authority / accountability at Coventry ? Don't hear of any such issue going on - so probably not the case then !!?? Has any rider ever sought financial damages when injured after crashing into an airfence?? no.. but they will now. Like i say,if he hasn't checked the track/air fence properly then i am not sure he or anyone has a right to claim?It is his place of work and surely he should check all safety aspects?Most people never do,but then most people who work in dangerous areas are usually trained to do so.I would say each team should have someone trained to check air fences etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Think what your trying to say is that P'Boros was a lot bigger than ours, so that automatically makes yours faster right? Somerset is also a quick track, and thats the same size as ours give a metre. Im not going to elaborate. No need to elaborate, just do the maths, its quite simple to do. You clearly stated Poole is the fastest track in the country, when we all know it clearly is not. For once you can back up your opinion with statistical facts, if you so desire.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 No need to elaborate, just do the maths, its quite simple to do. You clearly stated Poole is the fastest track in the country, when we all know it clearly is not. For once you can back up your opinion with statistical facts, if you so desire.. And im not likely to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 And im not likely to... Because you can't! Bwhahahaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Think what your trying to say is that P'Boros was a lot bigger than ours, so that automatically makes yours faster right? Somerset is also a quick track, and thats the same size as ours give a metre. Im not going to elaborate. Poole's track is 229.1m. The track record is 56.91. So that's 21 metres per second Swindon's track is 363 metres. The track record is 63.86. That's 22.74 metres per second. Sheffield is 361 metres. The track record is 59.1. That's 24.43 metres per second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Here they all come, like Noahs Ark two by two. Must be kicking out time!! Your all missing the point, but nevermind. You stick to your guns.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Here they all come, like Noahs Ark two by two. Must be kicking out time!! Your all missing the point, but nevermind. You stick to your guns.. Apologies. I thought the point was that Poole was the fastest track in the UK. My mistake. I feel embarrassed now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Poole's track is 229.1m. The track record is 56.91. So that's 21 metres per second Swindon's track is 363 metres. The track record is 63.86. That's 22.74 metres per second. Sheffield is 361 metres. The track record is 59.1. That's 24.43 metres per second. Poole is 299.1 metres not 229.1 metres 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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