Popular Post bigcatdiary Posted November 22, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Cannot understand why someone like Chris Holder is getting stick on here from all quarters, not only is he one of the top riders in the world but he always comes over as a fair minded individual with a personality much like Hancock, a real credit to the sport. British speedway desperately needs to look after it's own shortcomings and not worry about the top riders staying away, their are advantages to racing over here and as others have said he might well regret his actions but only time will tell. I doubt we have seen the last of him. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 DON'T see why. Had the air-fence not lifted when hit by Chris's bike, as it shouldn't have done, it would have absorbed and cushioned the impact of Chris as it was designed to do. It didn't really lift, it exploded when his bike hit it so I don't know how that could have been avoided. The BSPA must think these air fences are okay being as they are insisting all tracks have them next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 NOTHING wrong with air-fences in principle, on the contrary, but they still have to be fitted and maintained properly. Not saying that this was the case at Coventry but Chris Holder would no doubt argue that he had a right and an expectation for it to prevent him sustaining the injuries that he did. Been at a couple of GPs this year when upon close examination by the Jury President and Referee the installed air-fence required considerable work before it was considered secure and effective. Not sure that all air-fences undergo that sort of scrutiny before all domestic meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 It didn't really lift, it exploded when his bike hit it so I don't know how that could have been avoided. The BSPA must think these air fences are okay being as they are insisting all tracks have them next season. Should have gone to Specsavers it definitely lifted and Chris went under it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Should have gone to Specsavers it definitely lifted and Chris went under it The bike actually burst the air fence which then caused it to lift. At that point even if the air fence stayed in place it wouldn't have given Chris much protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 If you watch the Sky footage you will see that it did not explode when the bike hit it but lifted and you can clearly see the retaining straps on the bottom of the air fence proving that it had not been correctly secured, if it had been correctly fitted then Chris Holder would not have received such horrific injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Keep going guys, Hmm!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 The bike actually burst the air fence which then caused it to lift. At that point even if the air fence stayed in place it wouldn't have given Chris much protection. No it didn't ! I'm not disputing the air fence burst but it was the bike that lifted the air fence as pointed out by starshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 So, if the air fence at Coventry was 'incorrectly secured' - then surely Chris Holder has a financial case for loss or earnings to pursue v someone in authority / accountability at Coventry ? Don't hear of any such issue going on - so probably not the case then !!?? PS : Hope Chris Holder is getting well again - need riders like him in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Has any rider ever sought financial damages when injured after crashing into an airfence?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 no.. but they will now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 No it didn't ! I'm not disputing the air fence burst but it was the bike that lifted the air fence as pointed out by starshooter Sorry should have worded that much better, to tired at that time of night! I agree with you just pointed out that as the air fence had burst there was no protection anyway and the bike did lift the fence. Air fences seem to do the same all round Europe and happened in the GPs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Sorry should have worded that much better, to tired at that time of night! I agree with you just pointed out that as the air fence had burst there was no protection anyway and the bike did lift the fence. Air fences seem to do the same all round Europe and happened in the GPs too. Doesn't happen at Poole.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 In one sense that is correct, but when you have a discussion forum and someone comes on and says "This is my opinion and I am not prepared to discuss my reasons for thinking this way " it kind of defeats the object of a forum for discussion. It may well do, but there are many many other things that go on here that go against the idea of a forum for discussion. Anyway, i see this thread has moved on to arguing over whether a air fence panel has burst, so i'll leave that to those that are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Heat leaders will not face the reserves. so if a rider is injured \withdrawn from meeting, a reserve cannot replace hm if a heatleader is already in that heat. seems complicated to me nail coffin etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Should have gone to Specsavers it definitely lifted and Chris went under it I'm not disputing that it lifted but that was after his bike hit it at speed and the panel exploded. I was there and I had my glasses on actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I'm not disputing that it lifted but that was after his bike hit it at speed and the panel exploded. I was there and I had my glasses on actually. You just weren't looking at the crash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Just one of many riders who have and will cut their teeth in Britain and then disappear on the continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Rather like my window cleaner then, climbing his ladders in all weathers just so I can have clean windows. If you saw my window cleaner the other week when he fell off his ladder you would realise that he was risking his life purely for my windows that day. Get real, speedway riders are totally mercenary and will race for whoever offers the most cash and, to a man, do not give a stuff about entertaining anyone. Welcome to the world of professional sport. They are interested in winning and earning money, just like you would if you were them. And in doing that, they entertain us at the same time (well not you, but the rest of us). Even amateur sportsmen and women play to win and enjoy themselves, not entertain the few who go to watch park football, etc. whatever utopian world you have retreated into is getting smaller every day I am afraid. Just one of many riders who have and will cut their teeth in Britain and then disappear on the continent. Until we can afford the same salaries as Poland and Sweden, that's life pal. Maybe we should get behind the initiative to fill our league with home grown riders rather than bleat about it like many on this forum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 so if a rider is injured \withdrawn from meeting, a reserve cannot replace hm if a heatleader is already in that heat. seems complicated to me nail coffin etc No. That's not correct but we'll pretend it is because it's easier to moan about the untruth than the truth. It should be easy to work out with a bit of lateral thinking, but if you can't then it will become clear when the rules are published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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