SCB Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think someone already established that he has a visa to stay here. On the point of contributing to the economy - what taxes will someone in his position pay then????? Someone in his position would also be eligible for free healthcare etc so yes - I think it does matter.VAT for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Not the point though is it ? If folk in the real world have to be abide by the rules, why should he be any different just because he's a speedway rider ? If he's got the visa to stay, fair play, if not..he goes - simple. Someone mentioned a 5 year visa, but i didn't think sporting ones stretched that far. Because it's a free country... and as i said, i'm happy he won't be around, especially as he's clearly putting british speedway at the bottom of his priorities. Sorry that you and your cronies are upset that he's not going to be riding for you. It's my personal choice to dislike him, and there's nowt you can do about that really. Yes it maybe a free country, at the moment, and no there's nothing i or anybody else can do as to you disliking him. But, if its not escaped your memory, Chris had a very nasty Set of injuries after smashing into there wall behind the Airfence at Coventry, sustaining, and broken right hip, fractured pelvis, shattered right heal and broken shoulder blade{scapula} and if you are a Doctor??, you will know EXACTLY what all that means and entails, need i say anymore.. Now, the reason why Chris is doing what he's doing has absolutely NOTHING to do with deserting British Speedway. He is cutting down on his racing commitments, he happens to be doing the right thing, so he can get himself as near as 100% fit as he posibly can, and another 38 British fixtures is certainly not going to help his cause. Yes, he still has a lot of fixtures to forfil, in Poland Sweden and the GP, but its going to give him that bit extra time to hopefully get himself back in the grove. In the eyes of the poole fans and the management he is doing exactly the right thing. But don't fret, he will be back, with poole.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Gutting news not only for Poole but to lose a recent World Champ is a shame for the league as well. True but we cant run our league around one or two riders who no longer want to do a full season in the UK. He will be back when someone is injured I assume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 after all he's hardly likely to be claiming benefits!He must of racked up a big NHS bill recently? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Gone private if he's got any sense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 He's had two big injuries in recent seasons, and is at a point in his career, and his life, where he may wish to work less.If he is turning his back on Poole this season, the 30-odd meetings he'll miss out on would potentially earn Chris at least £100K.It isn't about money. Of course it's about money ! British speedway don't need him - he will realise eventually that he needs British Speedway more. Not a great fan of Darcy (mainly cus he Poole) but if he elects to race in uk in 2014, then good on him and good luck to the bloke - my attitude will change. ( to be perfectly honest, he has the best ability I ever seen on a speedway bike and guess I envious of his achievements both current and no doubt the MANY for the future) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes it maybe a free country, at the moment, and no there's nothing i or anybody else can do as to you disliking him. But, if its not escaped your memory, Chris had a very nasty Set of injuries after smashing into there wall behind the Airfence at Coventry, sustaining, and broken right hip, fractured pelvis, shattered right heal and broken shoulder blade{scapula} and if you are a Doctor??, you will know EXACTLY what all that means and entails, need i say anymore.. Now, the reason why Chris is doing what he's doing has absolutely NOTHING to do with deserting British Speedway. He is cutting down on his racing commitments, he happens to be doing the right thing, so he can get himself as near as 100% fit as he posibly can, and another 38 British fixtures is certainly not going to help his cause. Yes, he still has a lot of fixtures to forfil, in Poland Sweden and the GP, but its going to give him that bit extra time to hopefully get himself back in the grove. In the eyes of the poole fans and the management he is doing exactly the right thing. But don't fret, he will be back, with poole.. So it's not just Middlo who you're sniffing around then ? If he isn't deserting british speedway, then why has he not chosen to ditch one of his other teams ? Oh yes...because they pay better than what he could get over here... He got injured yes - but many many other riders get injuries and a fair number of the general public do too on a daily basis with broken hips and pelvis's aplenty. I see no reason to fawn over him over some simple injuries. It only seems worse because he's your hero and the injuries aren't the normal type associated with speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skthecat Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 So it's not just Middlo who you're sniffing around then ? If he isn't deserting british speedway, then why has he not chosen to ditch one of his other teams ? Oh yes...because they pay better than what he could get over here... He got injured yes - but many many other riders get injuries and a fair number of the general public do too on a daily basis with broken hips and pelvis's aplenty. I see no reason to fawn over him over some simple injuries. It only seems worse because he's your hero and the injuries aren't the normal type associated with speedway. I have to say, your "throw-away" comments about Chris Holders injuries are disgusting to say the least....... They were career ending injuries, so not to sign up for the start of the UK season, yet still sign for his foreign clubs, is not fair, he will have to ride a restricted programme of meetings to start with, and I would NOT be surprised if he withdraws/or gets withdrawn by team managers in rhe first 4 to 8 meetings anyway with his injuries playing up...... Perhaps he's done Poole a big favour? Poole would certainly not want there no 1 or 2nd ht leader pulling up in races in the early part of the league racing season. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 So it's not just Middlo who you're sniffing around then ? If he isn't deserting british speedway, then why has he not chosen to ditch one of his other teams ? Oh yes...because they pay better than what he could get over here... He got injured yes - but many many other riders get injuries and a fair number of the general public do too on a daily basis with broken hips and pelvis's aplenty. I see no reason to fawn over him over some simple injuries. It only seems worse because he's your hero and the injuries aren't the normal type associated with speedway. Simple injuries! That's a disgraceful, disrespectful and incorrect comment. Your most definitely not a Doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 If Holder is offered a starting place by any other EL team & refuses he should not be allowed back into the Poole team later in the year under any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 That's a disgraceful, disrespectful. Your most definitely not a Doctor.Nice profile picture by the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) If Holder is offered a starting place by any other EL team & refuses he should not be allowed back into the Poole team later in the year under any circumstances. I would impose a % on a riders average should he choose to race in a foreign league at the expense of the UK. I said the same years ago when Nicholls did it. It would make them carefully consider their options before dumping on us. Should Holder want to come back then it should now be on his last GSA plus 10% Edited November 22, 2013 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 If Holder is offered a starting place by any other EL team & refuses he should not be allowed back into the Poole team later in the year under any circumstances. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 With the prospect of being the weakest cough cough elite league in history and were sky to broadcast it next season !! Now where are those "Murder she wrote " dvd's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I have to say, your "throw-away" comments about Chris Holders injuries are disgusting to say the least....... They were career ending injuries, so not to sign up for the start of the UK season, yet still sign for his foreign clubs, is not fair, he will have to ride a restricted programme of meetings to start with, and I would NOT be surprised if he withdraws/or gets withdrawn by team managers in rhe first 4 to 8 meetings anyway with his injuries playing up...... Perhaps he's done Poole a big favour? Poole would certainly not want there no 1 or 2nd ht leader pulling up in races in the early part of the league racing season. .... Why are they disgusting ? I haven't mocked him or wished him to be injured have i ? I've simply pointed out what they were - They were broken bones - which will heal. However he could have had head or spinal injuries too which would have been a whole different matter. Simple injuries! That's a disgraceful, disrespectful and incorrect comment. Your most definitely not a Doctor. Firstly, it's up to me if i disrespect him - much in the same way it is up to any rider to flick the v's to the crowd if he wants to. And why is it incorrect ? Has he had some other hidden injuries that aren't in the public domain you can tell me of. And finally, when have i ever said i was a doctor ? Not sure how many doctor's would publicise the fact on a speedway forum let alone post a their profile picture of them on a drunken night out with Kelvin Tatum. Some people on here are very precious.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I would impose a % on a riders average should he choose to race in a foreign league at the expense of the UK. I said the same years ago when Nicholls did it. It would make them carefully consider their options before dumping on us. Should Holder want to come back then it should now be on his last GSA plus 10% Agreed. Why not? Because riders should not think themselves bigger than the system. Saying you'll ride for only one club on your terms & having a promoter that will indulge you is detrimental to the other clubs. Poole could ring-fence a number of riders in this way. They did so with KK in 2012 & Matt Ford has tried to promote the squad system so he can keep Ward & Holder. How can equalisation ever work if clubs do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Doctor I know people close to Chris, & can assure you the injuries were very serious. Think you are out of order with a few of your posts. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Doctor I know people close to Chris, & can assure you the injuries were very serious. Think you are out of order with a few of your posts. His injuries were career threatening, i thought on the night there was a possibility life threatening so for somebody to dismiss them as a pile of broken bones which will mend is very flippant and out of order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Doctor I know people close to Chris, & can assure you the injuries were very serious. Think you are out of order with a few of your posts. Enlighten me then on what made them "very serious" if you could then ? Medically, what has been made public is classed as serious, but not life threatening. And i really don't see how me posting a few realities is seen as out of order ? I will repeat what i said previously - i have NOT mocked him or wished injury upon him. His injuries were career threatening, i thought on the night there was a possibility life threatening so for somebody to dismiss them as a pile of broken bones which will mend is very flippant and out of order. Well with respect, what you saw on the night judging them to be life threatening is neither here nor there. The fact is they weren't and i'm pleased they weren't. I'm not dismissing his injuries as such, i really havent said that. I'm just taking the hero-worship part out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Doctor, your use of language trivialised Holder's injuries!! No rider with any injury - particularly one that prevents him from racing for a period of several months - should be the butt of comments like yours!! Also what is wrong with a bit of 'hero-worship'? He is the former World Champion after all!! And who knows may even have been again if not for the injuries?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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