THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 But Dean, you were capable of doing your own engines and we all know the huge costs of servicing..You will never stop promoters paying what they think the top riders in any league are worth ,and if it was an enforceable figure they would still find ways round it....You know the old saying ,Win at all cost..well its true....i know for a fact that if this £10 a point isnt stuck to that one team wont be coming to the tapes next season and the NL cant afford to lose any teams so its in the intrest of the other teams to stick to it. Yes i could do my own engines but thats not the whole problem. NL riders waste more money on bling for their bikes than they need to .its not just in speedway its in all motor sports. They insist on things like joker throttles £100 When a gasser one is £20 and works exactly the same .they have buy straight backends when as proved the round one is no different in performance .you cant give round backends away but straight ones are £150. I could go on but you get the point. I understand engines are expensive to maintain but you wouldnt belive how much some NL riders waste on have expensive parts put in to their engines .there are even some offset GM engines in the NL ,why? You dont need an engine like that. Its great to have nice bikes and yes everyone wants the best equipment but why should somebody else pay for it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) i know for a fact that if this £10 a point isnt stuck to that one team wont be coming to the tapes next season and the NL cant afford to lose any teams so its in the intrest of the other teams to stick to it. Yes i could do my own engines but thats not the whole problem. NL riders waste more money on bling for their bikes than they need to .its not just in speedway its in all motor sports. They insist on things like joker throttles £100 When a gasser one is £20 and works exactly the same .they have buy straight backends when as proved the round one is no different in performance .you cant give round backends away but straight ones are £150. I could go on but you get the point. I understand engines are expensive to maintain but you wouldnt belive how much some NL riders waste on have expensive parts put in to their engines .there are even some offset GM engines in the NL ,why? You dont need an engine like that. Its great to have nice bikes and yes everyone wants the best equipment but why should somebody else pay for it I know 1 rider who is running good reliable Jawa's to keep costs low as servicing is cheaper and he keeps getting laughed at in the pits. and told if he doesn't switch to GM he will never get anywhere So you need to keep up with the Jones' I'm afraid in this sport. Edited November 23, 2013 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) I know 1 rider who is running good reliable Jawa's to keep costs low as servicing is cheaper and he keeps getting laughed at in the pits. and told if he doesn't switch to GM he will never get anywhere So you need to keep up with the Jones' I'm afraid in this sport.strange how there are still jawas in premier and a even a couple in elite yet they are not good enough to use in NL?. Holder, woffinden ,ward on a 10 year old jawa will still beat any NL rider on the latest GM .untill the day when that is not a fact jawa engines are good enough Edited November 23, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 23, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 There is loads of old school speedway riders still around who have a wealth of knowledge about speedway .listen and learn from these ex riders. I did, i even listened and learnt from a motocrosser from the sixties .he was so wise because he had been there been there and got the teeshirt. He learnt me about the crap that goes on in motorsport .I know i didnt get to the great heights of speedway but i realized after a few years i wasnt good enough so decided just to have fun at it and even made a bit of money at it .my message here is if you follow the latest trend speedway will bankrupt you ,before you spend a fortune on the latest gold talon wheels just think to yourself will they make me go faster than a plain silver jawa set? .if the answer is yes then thats your problem ,dont expect speedway to pay for your fashion 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Just what positives can we expect going into the NL AGM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Just what positives can we expect going into the NL AGM? hopefully all the teams coming to the tapes and it would be nice to have a couple of new ones aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 hopefully all the teams coming to the tapes and it would be nice to have a couple of new ones aswell Sadly the way things stand at present TDM that might not be the case BUT there's a long way to go until the start of next season so let's wish that your hopes, which I share, come to fruition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) hopefully all the teams coming to the tapes and it would be nice to have a couple of new ones as well That would be nice - but where would these "new teams" come from? Sadly, it looks like one - possibly two - doubtful club starters according to opinions posted throughout the National League Speedway section on the BSF? And with leading NL riders needed, so it appears, increasingly for EL and PL calls in 2014, will all the top riders be available for the NL? Edited November 24, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) Adding to my posting above, as I said there's a long way to go until the start of next season and an interesting paragraph on page 3 (NO The Sun lovers not a photo!) of the current Speedway Star that could see an expansion in numbers of teams. Edited November 24, 2013 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Adding to my posting above, as I said there's a long way to go until the start of next season and an interesting paragraph on page 3 (NO The Sun lovers not a photo!) of the current Speedway Star that could see an expansion in numbers of teams. That's really intriguing...from where are these teams coming. Are more EL and PL clubs going to run second teams or the possibility of even Peterborough resurfacing as one of the hinted at new teams. As the old saying goes...watch this space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN2 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Seems to me that the whole future of the sport is depending on a new T.V. deal being signed, without it the future is clouded in uncertainty, with the N.L. coming off worse. If the N.L. A.G.M. takes place before hand how can any decisions be taken ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Seems to me that the whole future of the sport is depending on a new T.V. deal being signed, without it the future is clouded in uncertainty, with the N.L. coming off worse. If the N.L. A.G.M. takes place before hand how can any decisions be taken ? And I'd hazard a guess that the deal - if there is one - will not be exceptionally generous. The trump cards are held by the TV companies who have assessed what speedway coverage is worth to them. They will make an offer on a "take it or leave it basis". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 What is the chance of extra teams in the NL.We know there will be Kent,Dudley,Mildehall,Buxton,Stoke,Are we too see Coventry and Kings Lynn again?I hope IOW situation is sorted.So is there a chance of anyone else?Norwich - Bristol ?????We could do with more teams,the more the merrier.I have read in this weeks SS that there is encouragement of Elite Teams also having a NL team like Coventry/KL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) I hope there are new teams, there has very little if anything from the Stoke promotion since before the season finished, noises from the IOW don't sound great. Kings Lynn? Don't know. Buxton I assume depends on the airfence. If your feeling positive all the above teams come to the tapes plus a couple of EL/PL teams run NL teams. If your feeling negative the NL could be down to Kent, Mildenhall Coventry and Dudley. No chance of Norwich and it's gone quiet down in Bristol. Edited November 24, 2013 by Nikko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I hope there are new teams, there has very little if anything from the Stoke promotion since before the season finished, noises from the IOW don't sound great. Kings Lynn? Don't know. Buxton I assume depends on the airfence. If your feeling positive all the above teams come to the tapes plus a couple of EL/PL teams run NL teams. If your feeling negative the NL could be down to Kent, Mildenhall Coventry and Dudley. No chance of Norwich and it's gone quiet down in Bristol. Hi Neil, I thought the Norwich situation had gone sour.It would be great to get a couple more teams in the League.But with the situation at some Clubs I have a feeling we will be lucky to have eight teams again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I heard maybe a combined Plymouth/Somerset side in the '14 NL... But I tend to agree, more than 8 next season seems highly unlikely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I hope there are new teams, there has very little if anything from the Stoke promotion since before the season finished, noises from the IOW don't sound great. Kings Lynn? Don't know. Buxton I assume depends on the airfence. If your feeling positive all the above teams come to the tapes plus a couple of EL/PL teams run NL teams. If your feeling negative the NL could be down to Kent, Mildenhall Coventry and Dudley. No chance of Norwich and it's gone quiet down in Bristol. Hi Neil, I thought the Norwich situation had gone sour.It would be great to get a couple more teams in the League.But with the situation at some Clubs I have a feeling we will be lucky to have eight teams again. I am surprised - extremely - to see both Norwich and Bristol even listed. Elsewhere on the BSF, a Norwich revival for the foreseeable future has been convincingly discounted. As for Bristol - it's the first time I have seen them mentioned anywhere on the BSF for at least a minimum 18 months. The concerns must be what happens at IoW and Stoke? And more EL and PL teams also running in the NL? I cannot see that happening in these current economic times either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) If only 6 teams come to tapes this season ,,it maybe twice home and away, wether that would be viable,i dont know ,the alternative no league,, does,nt bare thinking about Edited November 24, 2013 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) If only 6 teams come to tapes this season ,,it maybe twice home and away, wether that would be viable,i dont know ,the alternative no league,, does,nt bare thinking about In 1955 and 1956I am certain the National League (Division One?) ran with seven teams, boosted by cup, individual and international meetings. There's no reason why it's "namesake" can't survive and be competitive with six teams in 2014. Edited November 24, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 In 1955 and 1956I am certain the National League (Division One?) ran with seven teams, boosted by cup, individual and international meetings. There's no reason why it's "namesake" can't survive and be competitive with six teams in 2014. The league operated with five teams in its earlier days (can't remember the year)meeting twice home and away plus the KOC, not ideal but we survived. The league has been in existence in one form or another for 20 years now and must be doing something right as all the riders in last years World Team Cup squad had ridden in it at some time or another. The league doesn't always get the support it deserves but with the EL proposals this year it is more important than ever that the league not only survives but flourishes. It is a worry though, as it is every year, as to where the extra riders will come from and which teams will continue. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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