Guest Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 What is the date for the AGM of the National League promoters? Are there any special changes you would like to see them make for the 2014 season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 10th December Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd like to see the Isle of Wight in a position to state that there will be National League speedway at Smallbrook in 2014 but the signs aren't that good at the moment alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd like to see the Isle of Wight in a position to state that there will be National League speedway at Smallbrook in 2014 but the signs aren't that good at the moment alas. Â Fingers crossed for good news from the IoW. They are a credit to both speedway and the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd like to see the Isle of Wight in a position to state that there will be National League speedway at Smallbrook in 2014 but the signs aren't that good at the moment alas. Â Couldn't agree more! Also I'd like to see both reserves, at the start of the season, need to be 3.00 riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 For NL only how about a rule that any 3 point NL rider who came last in his last race(except for EF) can start 15 metres ahead of the rest of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN2 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Without doubt losing any track in this Division is very serious for the League as a whole, losing stand alone tracks like the I.O.W. is unthinkable, let alone what is happening at Stoke and every effort to keep them going in what ever form must be looked into in depth. The question of air fences being compulsory at this level and the financial implication involved must be looked at. Do we have to lose tracks or are air fences that good, we must have them. I am not convinced at all and a re-think is needed. A smaller Division than 8 is hardly viable, so will it be the end of the N.L.? Once again it is so easy to lose tracks, but getting them back is much harder. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Without doubt losing any track in this Division is very serious for the League as a whole, losing stand alone tracks like the I.O.W. is unthinkable, let alone what is happening at Stoke and every effort to keep them going in what ever form must be looked into in depth. The question of air fences being compulsory at this level and the financial implication involved must be looked at. Do we have to lose tracks or are air fences that good, we must have them. I am not convinced at all and a re-think is needed. A smaller Division than 8 is hardly viable, so will it be the end of the N.L.? Once again it is so easy to lose tracks, but getting them back is much harder. Â Â Â If I have read tis correctly, under an FIM directive air fances are compulsory. There does not appear to be any opt out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/speedway/24820365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 With a bit of tweaking, would it be possible to share an air fence? Must be worth investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 With a bit of tweaking, would it be possible to share an air fence? Must be worth investigating. Â It looks a good idea in theory but I wonder at the sheer logistics of trying such a scheme - but it must be worth consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Would love NL to go Retro and run 13 heats, 2nd halves, old tac subs, etc. Also 13 heats would be easier for clubs who have EL or PL side to stage double headers if they got behind on fixtures so might also enable a team or two to join. Just my thoughts, I think such would be a breathe of fresh air and could be run for about the same cost as a current meeting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) Â Couldn't agree more! Also I'd like to see both reserves, at the start of the season, need to be 3.00 riders. Is that a possibility; that clubs would have to track 3.00 riders at reserve? That for me would mean another season at least of no speedway as it would mean more points to stretch the gap between the best riders and the not the best. I would much prefer to watch seven riders who are around the 5 point area race than a nine point man finishing 1/2 a ;lap or more in front of a lad fresh into the sport on a three. I remember a late season match in 2012 at Stoke where Tom Perry was winning by the length of the straight plus, no racing just procession. I have no problem with Tom Perry racing in the league as long as he is racing against similar standard racers, Some say that racing against better riders helps improve lesser riders; that is true to a degree but you have to be on the pace or could easily go the other way with a loss of confidence due to the distance they are beaten by.Forcing teams to track riders due to their apparent ability and not on their true ability is a recipe for disaster. It could be said that is the way speedway has been for many years and that would be true and I stood it for many years but for me that is why speedway is a poor watch now. Three to four good races an evening is never good value, as the top boys in teams when up against the reserves from the others just wipe them out. You could point to Ellis or Lambert last year being 3.00s but everyone knew that they were not 3.00s before a wheel was turned and they were always going to be more than competitive against anybody in the league. My problem is with real 3.00's who are going to struggle all year in most of their races against the big boy's. Riders should come into league racing when their standard dictates. Realize my thoughts will not be very popular but just cannot watch anymore strung out races waiting for it to change. Look at any meeting and the updates generally say "FTG". Edited November 20, 2013 by Steeplejack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 How could you say that Ellis wasn't s 3 pointer at the start of the season. He hadn't even raced a speedway bike until the previous July. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Â How could you say that Ellis wasn't s 3 pointer at the start of the season. He hadn't even raced a speedway bike until the previous July. I would have thought that any rider deemed good enough to go straight in as a Premier League reserve which Adam did with Ipswich last season is hardly a 3pt NL reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Young riders like Ellis and lambert are rarities while it is great to have very young riders of Premier league standard coming into the National League as 3 pointers it does create an imbalance in team strenghts, And i feel they stay as reserves far to long ,,much earlier average changes should be brought in to counter this imbalance there does seem to be one or two of these situations arising on a regular basis and i feel it needs to be addressed ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Young riders like Ellis and lambert are rarities while it is great to have very young riders of Premier league standard coming into the National League as 3 pointers it does create an imbalance in team strenghts, And i feel they stay as reserves far to long ,,much earlier average changes should be brought in to counter this imbalance there does seem to be one or two of these situations arising on a regular basis and i feel it needs to be addressed ...I feel your own Jack Kingston is a typical 3 point reserve, begins the season on a 3 average, and finishes on a 4+ whilst showing glimpses of things to come, the Ellis and Lamberts are few and far between, Ellis was a beginner who had shown lots of talent in a handful of meetings the previous season, whilst Lambert NEVER was a 3 pointer, perhaps the wayto go, may be to use rolling averages, therby stopping a Team having a rider on a 3 average, who really is way above that for most of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Young riders like Ellis and lambert are rarities while it is great to have very young riders of Premier league standard coming into the National League as 3 pointers it does create an imbalance in team strenghts, And i feel they stay as reserves far to long ,,much earlier average changes should be brought in to counter this imbalance there does seem to be one or two of these situations arising on a regular basis and i feel it needs to be addressed ... Spot on. The lad Ellis only rode a few times I think the year before but everyone could see the lad is a special talent, and was a overwhelming pick in "fantasy teams" i would of thought for a 3.00 in the Premier!!. Would of been very difficult to give any other average under current rules to give anything but a 3, but averages need to be brought into line to the riders ability as soon as possible because with so few matches and riders at times picked to race meetings (did not Robert Lambert just race home meetings for a while; may be wrong on that) the "strong" reserves can deliver titles without much of a step outside the reserve berth. How could you say that Ellis wasn't s 3 pointer at the start of the season. He hadn't even raced a speedway bike until the previous July. The reason was on just a few laps on a speedway bike in 2012 he was beating far higher averaged riders by a margin. "3" point riders do not do this. I imagine every promoter was chasing him if they thought they had a chance to get him because of the 3 tag.....in the premier. Anybody who saw him or his scores would of taken him on the 3; knowing they had a possible league winner on their hands. Did he not score 20 or so on his debut or close to the start of his racing ? Did you think of him as a 3 pointer that may hold his average or increase to a 4-5 points per meeting during the season? If so I think you may of been in the minority. I hope the lad goes from strength to strength this year with the obvious talent he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's been said for a long time but a lower points limit would really benefit the NL. For the fans the racing is closer. For the young British riders they get a better chance to enter competitive racing. For the clubs it keeps the costs down a little more. Â Let's hope to see at least eight clubs come to tapes for the start of the season, more would be even better. Â On an IOW air fence note, could a deal be made to purchase Peterborough's if buyers do not come forward? Sad thought, however it would be terrible if we were to lose two clubs this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 A problem in the national league is teams paying more than 10 a point and 10p a mile .too many riders at this level think the sport owes them a living and it dosent and the sport cant afford it.if all teams stuck to it the riders would either ride or dont ride ,. No doubt some dads will give the costs issue but it can be done ive done it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 But Dean, you were capable of doing your own engines and we all know the huge costs of servicing..You will never stop promoters paying what they think the top riders in any league are worth ,and if it was an enforceable figure they would still find ways round it....You know the old saying ,Win at all cost..well its true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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