DunRobin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 The riders are allocated, the clubs don't get to "pick", consideration IS being given to riders contracts and their locality. According to the article in the Swindon Advertiser, the teams get to pick their riders with Coventry getting 1st pick & Poole last pick, with full assets of clubs being protected. I'm not sure how they define NL riders as some riders on the list had a full season in the PL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 According to the article in the Swindon Advertiser, the teams get to pick their riders with Coventry getting 1st pick & Poole last pick, with full assets of clubs being protected. I'm not sure how they define NL riders as some riders on the list had a full season in the PL.I see, That's a change from the initial statement then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) I think you'll find it is about what number the rider sits in the draft rankings, so protected asset Newman is likely to be 2nd or 3rd in draft rankings which means, Poole would get 8th or 9th pick second time round! so the lower the pick in round one the higher the pick in round two! That's also how I interpret it. I assume you mean Newman H !!! It shouldn't be done like that though. If you choose to take a protected rider, something not on offer to most teams, there has to be some counter balancing. If Poole pick Newman 10th they get the 18th/19th pick. If Poole effectively pick him first they get the same 18th/19th pick. Ranking the riders is very subjective, based on last season there is a big difference between Kings Lynn or Wolves selecting Robert Lambert (he won't be in round 1 of course), yet round 2 is based on a single ranking of a rider. Surely its not beyond the promoters to select the best available rider (for them) ... well maybe not. Assuming Robert Lambert is allowed to be picked in Round 2, then Coventry could pull a stroke. Select the lowest ranked Round 1 rider, maybe Starke, Rose or Wright and have first pick in Round 2 for Lambert !!! Ranking these riders within their gratings might become a problem because we all know R. Lambert should be an A rider but he doesn't have a PL average, whereas Smart has a PL average around 4.5 (without checking) but in reality he's a C grade! Edited November 29, 2013 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 This proposal will not help all young British riders as with the proposed draft list, riders like Ashley Birks would have to fit into the 1 - 5 of any team. Based on his performances with Swindon last season, he was struggling to compete with the reserves at that level & I am sure that there must be many young riders of that ilk who if in the 1 - 5 would have to compete against team leader riders more. I can't see how that would do their confidence any good & in all probability, they would be better reverting to just PL riders for the 2014 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Of course there will be teething problems with this new idea, isnt there always. I assume this rule has been brought in for the meduim to long term in British Speedway, it is not going to work overnight. Ok, you will always get the odd rider that doesnt fit, you will also get the odd rider who more than fits and indeed excells. The question is, is it a price worth paying. For me its 100% YES 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 This proposal will not help all young British riders as with the proposed draft list, riders like Ashley Birks would have to fit into the 1 - 5 of any team. Based on his performances with Swindon last season, he was struggling to compete with the reserves at that level & I am sure that there must be many young riders of that ilk who if in the 1 - 5 would have to compete against team leader riders more. I can't see how that would do their confidence any good & in all probability, they would be better reverting to just PL riders for the 2014 season.As he will have (assumed from the rumours) 2 rides that will be against a reserve and similar level second string his opponents would be no higher standard than last year overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I feel for the riders in this as it seems they have to go where picked regardless and that's completely unfair. A rider from the north gets picked down south and visa versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 So the BSPA list has 23 riders and no Robert Lambert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 The fairest thing would be to give the clubs who choose their protected riders last picks in the "second round" (whether it be according to 2013 league position or, fairer, the PL average of the rider selected) & if their protected rider is an A category they should be restricted to a C category in the second pick (so if Kings Lynn choose Kerr they should be last second time around & restricted to a C category rider). Presumably the A category riders will be Kerr, Garrity & Newman & the Bs Nielsen, Ellis, R Lambert, Wright, Blackbird & Morris? Will Coventry do the decent thing & pick Jacobs or go for Garrity? Swindon's first pick looks like Blackbird, Nielsen or Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesC1979 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 No Lambert is not a surprise. I am guessing that he didn't want to forgo the opportunity to ride in Germany or have the possibility of riding somewhere else other than Kings Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I do like this initiative from the BSPA and I hope it works - will be very interesting. I do think Leicester should have been given the first pick though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The H Man Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 So the BSPA list has 23 riders and no Robert Lambert. I believe Lambert declined, maybe he'll pop up in a 1-5 somewhere? Few others couldn't commit either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I believe Lambert declined, maybe he'll pop up in a 1-5 somewhere? Few others couldn't commit either Or can be added to the stand by list for when a rider is unavailable. "and along with the three riders who do not get places in the initial draft we will be putting together a stand-by list for use during the season. Should a rider be absent from a meeting, his team will be able to select any available lower-ranked rider as a guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 What a load of rubbish. Never have I read such complicated crap in my life as this, and you wonder why the sport is in permanent decline. The clubs who have helped these young riders into the sport, should be given preference, and not governed by what positioned they finished in last years bias, league format. Surely these riders should have some input into where they want to ride, hasn't anybody thought about that?? There's been some ridiculous ideas from the BSPA in the past but this one takes the biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 So the BSPA list has 23 riders and no Robert Lambert. Surely you have to be 16 to ride EL. Lambert will still only be 15 at the start of the season, so presumably can't be on the list yet? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 What a load of rubbish. Never have I read such complicated crap in my life as this, and you wonder why the sport is in permanent decline. The clubs who have helped these young riders into the sport, should be given preference, and not governed by what positioned they finished in last years bias, league format. Surely these riders should have some input into where they want to ride, hasn't anybody thought about that?? There's been some ridiculous ideas from the BSPA in the past but this one takes the biscuit. It makes perfect sense and is far from complicated. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Simon Lambert, Lee Smart, , Ben Hopwood Belle Vue - Garrity, Halsey Birmingham - Perry, Greenwood Coventry - Jacobs, Sarjeant Eastbourne - Nielsen, Worrall Kings Lynn - Kerr, Rose Lakeside - Ellis, Bates Leicester - Blackbird, Halsey Poole - Newman, Morley Swindon - Starke, Ritchings Wolverhampton - Morris, Clegg my prediction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I feel for the riders in this as it seems they have to go where picked regardless and that's completely unfair. A rider from the north gets picked down south and visa versa No they won't, and you know that. It's already been said their location would be taken into consideration when being allocated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) I do like this initiative from the BSPA and I hope it works - will be very interesting. I do think Leicester should have been given the first pick though. why they replaced Peterbourgh so they take there place Leicesters team will not resemble there pl team Edited November 29, 2013 by kingbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Simon Lambert, Lee Smart, , Ben Hopwood Belle Vue - Garrity, Halsey Birmingham - Perry, Greenwood Coventry - Jacobs, Sarjeant Eastbourne - Nielsen, Worrall Kings Lynn - Kerr, Rose Lakeside - Ellis, Bates Leicester - Blackbird, Halsey Poole - Newman, Morley Swindon - Starke, Ritchings Wolverhampton - Morris, Clegg my prediction Why would Coventry who get to pick first pick someone so low? They HAVE to pick Garrity or the promotion will be showing they have no ambition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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