Elite League Draft Riders

[BluPanther]

A % of the Sky money should have been invested into young riders, instead of throwing it at overpaid 'superstars'. That opportunity was completely wasted. Its no coincidence that they have decided to encourage the British lads at a time when costs must be cut, and the motives behind it are dodgy at best imo. World beaters wont be produced just because they are riding against each other in the elite lge, world beaters emerge because they are rare talents, like Tai and Loram.

[500cc]

It is a great pity that the PL promoters were not able to involve themselves in this scheme at this stage , although for perfectly understandable reasons explained by Jon Cook at the fans forum last week

 

What were the reasons given out of interest?

[E I Addio]

You really are a card. I don't believe the PL promoters were invited to join the party at all; as with the majority of fans (apart from you), this came from left field. You can attempt to justify the actions as much as you wish but the truth is fairly obvious to any one who is willing to look at this from a neutral viewpoint (something you clearly do not have).

1. The general consensus of opinion on the forum seems to be that when a poster resorts to name calling it is because he has no other sensible argument to rely on.. If calling me a card is the best you can do you might as well stop digging.

 

2.So you don't believe the PL promoters were asked to join the party. Have you spoken to any of them ? If not what are the grounds of your belief (apart from figments of imagination)?

 

3. You have ignored my comments on pre-AGM announcements so I presume you were unaware of them when lurching into your tirade.

 

4. I have not attempted to justify anything, In fact I do have certain reservations. I have merely pointed out certain facts which undermine your claim that it was all cobbled together on the spur of the moment, and it

y really is a pity that some people don't check some facts first so that they can offer constructive criticism in a mature debate instead of a tirade based on supposition.

 

5.Thank you and goodnight

A % of the Sky money should have been invested into young riders, instead of throwing it at overpaid 'superstars'. That opportunity was completely wasted. Its no coincidence that they have decided to encourage the British lads at a time when costs must be cut, and the motives behind it are dodgy at best imo. World beaters wont be produced just because they are riding against each other in the elite lge, world beaters emerge because they are rare talents, like Tai and Loram.

 

 

 

Agreed, but their are now some young kids at the Hagon Shocks Academy that had never ev en sat on a speedway bike until a few months ago but under tuition of Rob Mear some are showing real progress. This is something that should have been done years ago but wasn't, but better late than never. It means giving more kids a chance to start young.

[BANANAMAN]

I agree with you entirely but was merely pointing out that if he gets fit & is flying then the team he signs for will have a great advantage.

 

The situation is the same with Ashley Birks who will also be coming back from a bad injury.

 

I think this is one almighty cock up & there are so many things to iron out.

So Ashley & Adam may get 100% fit ,start scoring points ,improve as riders,reach the verge of full time Elite status , possibly become internationals in a few years . BUT ...... because they could sign for a rivals club that wont happen ! I reckon anyone who reads this can read between the lines !

[Grachan]

 

When was the draft made as no one has seen it.

 

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10842847.Ritchings_and_Reade_on_young_rider_list/

 

RIDERS PUT FORWARD FOR ELITE LEAGUE PLACES: Adam Ellis; Ashley Morris; Ben Reade; Daniel Halsey; James Sarjeant; Joe Jacobs; Josh Bates; Kyle Newman; Robert Branford; Simon Lambert; Ben Hopwood; Ben Morley; Charles Wright; Dan Greenwood; Darryl Ritchings; Jake Knight; Jason Garrity; Kyle Hughes; Lee Smart; Lewis Blackbird; Lewis Kerr; Lewis Rose; Liam Carr; Max Clegg; Oliver Greenwood; Paul Starke; Robert Lambert; Stefan Nielsen; Steven Worrall; Tom Perry.

[Elephantman]

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10842847.Ritchings_and_Reade_on_young_rider_list/

 

RIDERS PUT FORWARD FOR ELITE LEAGUE PLACES: Adam Ellis; Ashley Morris; Ben Reade; Daniel Halsey; James Sarjeant; Joe Jacobs; Josh Bates; Kyle Newman; Robert Branford; Simon Lambert; Ben Hopwood; Ben Morley; Charles Wright; Dan Greenwood; Darryl Ritchings; Jake Knight; Jason Garrity; Kyle Hughes; Lee Smart; Lewis Blackbird; Lewis Kerr; Lewis Rose; Liam Carr; Max Clegg; Oliver Greenwood; Paul Starke; Robert Lambert; Stefan Nielsen; Steven Worrall; Tom Perry.

Top stuff this and a clear indicator that the Elite League are doing their own thing and the rest of the sport be damned. They should do better than going public with a press announcement in the local paper. From the way this whole thing has been handled by the Elite League one would assume they haven't had the courtesy to inform the BSPA. Making it up as they go along; pathetic!

Edited November 29, 2013 by Elephantman

[Grachan]

Top stuff this and a clear indicator that the Elite League are doing their own thing and the rest of the sport be damned. They should do better than going public with a press announcement in the local paper. From the way this whole thing has been handled by the Elite League one would assume they haven't had the courtesy to inform the BSPA. Making it up as they go along; pathetic!

 

What a strange criticism. The sport is far from perfect, but that does seem a bit of an over reaction to, er, nothing at all.

 

The Elite League promoters are all members of the BSPA. that's what the BSPA is. Speedway promoters. So what are you trying to say here?

 

And I'm pretty sure the information in the local Swindon paper would have come from a press release. How else would they know?

[philfromcov]

interesting list... i suppose ronyon isn't included because he is too good to be in this class? might very well be true, but where does that leave him with his 1.85 elite league average?

just shows the reality im afraid, anyone expecting these guys to "mix it" are living on another planet.

 

3030, is the best anyone can hope for.

[JamesC1979]

The draft format needs looking at.

 

In the current system Poole will get the benefit of having a protected pick (Kyle Newman) who they are guaranteed to be able to pick up with the 10th pick (which they have on the basis they won the league). They then get 11th pick to get the next best rider, so they are going to end up with the arguably the best rider drafted in the first round and the best in the second round. How is that fair.

 

Think we would all agree that Newman is far better than the 10th best rider on the list and would go far earlier in a true draft than 10th.

 

Will the proposals to change the meeting structure the strength of a teams reserves will have a huge bearing on the result of a meeting.

[Woz01]

interesting list... i suppose ronyon isn't included because he is too good to be in this class? might very well be true, but where does that leave him with his 1.85 elite league average?

just shows the reality im afraid, anyone expecting these guys to "mix it" are living on another planet.

 

3030, is the best anyone can hope for.

Roynons average is 4.7 ish.

[Islander15]

interesting list... i suppose ronyon isn't included because he is too good to be in this class? might very well be true, but where does that leave him with his 1.85 elite league average?

just shows the reality im afraid, anyone expecting these guys to "mix it" are living on another planet.

 

3030, is the best anyone can hope for.

 

 

Ben Reade, who I doubt will even be an A grade rider, beat Gustafsson at Eastbourne in Reade's first meeting back after being injured most of the season last year.

Edited November 29, 2013 by Islander15

[pointsmeanplayoffs]

Good article on the Swindon Advertiser website;

 

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/speedway/10842847.Ritchings_and_Reade_on_young_rider_list/

 

Looks like the teams who have invested in youth rider development over the years instead of just splashing big cash on bring over riders from Europe are getting shafted.

 

Only one protected pick and only in the first round?. Young local riders who have been riding for their local clubs should surely get to ride for their own club in the 'big league' should they wish to?

[Hilly]

The draft format needs looking at.

 

In the current system Poole will get the benefit of having a protected pick (Kyle Newman) who they are guaranteed to be able to pick up with the 10th pick (which they have on the basis they won the league). They then get 11th pick to get the next best rider, so they are going to end up with the arguably the best rider drafted in the first round and the best in the second round. How is that fair.

 

Think we would all agree that Newman is far better than the 10th best rider on the list and would go far earlier in a true draft than 10th.

 

Will the proposals to change the meeting structure the strength of a teams reserves will have a huge bearing on the result of a meeting.

 

Reading the advert, it seems to say that whoever has the lowest ranked rider in the first draft gets first pick in the second.

 

Newman will be near if not the top ranked from first draft, meaning Poole will be last pick in second draft. If that is the case, seems fair enough.

[500cc]

The draft format needs looking at.

 

In the current system Poole will get the benefit of having a protected pick (Kyle Newman) who they are guaranteed to be able to pick up with the 10th pick (which they have on the basis they won the league). They then get 11th pick to get the next best rider, so they are going to end up with the arguably the best rider drafted in the first round and the best in the second round. How is that fair.

 

Think we would all agree that Newman is far better than the 10th best rider on the list and would go far earlier in a true draft than 10th.

 

Will the proposals to change the meeting structure the strength of a teams reserves will have a huge bearing on the result of a meeting.

Even the BSPA couldn't get that wrong.

 

Any team who puts a claim on their protected rider will automatically be put to the end of the 2nd round. So if Poole claim Newman they will pick 20th, with Wolves, Lakeside and Kings Lynn preceding them.

 

Anything else and you'll be reminded of who are the three most influential teams in the EL.

 

Assuming Robert Lambert is on the B list (may actually be on the C back-up list), then if left as suggested then Poole, get Newman and Lambert !!!

 

Interestingly would take Poole and Kings Lynn over the points limit. If they select their protected rider and whoever takes Garrity should have that figure trimmed off their top five 32 point average. May not make any difference to their initial team building, but should be on principle. I'd assume during the season that only the top 5's averages are used for re-building, so if a team no longer employs one of those 3, the "trimmed" amount should then be removed at that point.

 

If Simon Lambert's average hit 5+ (I don't think so), then he too should be included.

Edited November 29, 2013 by 500cc

[The H Man]

The draft format needs looking at.

 

In the current system Poole will get the benefit of having a protected pick (Kyle Newman) who they are guaranteed to be able to pick up with the 10th pick (which they have on the basis they won the league). They then get 11th pick to get the next best rider, so they are going to end up with the arguably the best rider drafted in the first round and the best in the second round. How is that fair.

 

Think we would all agree that Newman is far better than the 10th best rider on the list and would go far earlier in a true draft than 10th.

 

Will the proposals to change the meeting structure the strength of a teams reserves will have a huge bearing on the result of a meeting.

I think you'll find it is about what number the rider sits in the draft rankings, so protected asset Newman is likely to be 2nd or 3rd in draft rankings which means, Poole would get 8th or 9th pick second time round! so the lower the pick in round one the higher the pick in round two!

Edited November 29, 2013 by The H Man

[500cc]

I think you'll find it is about what number the rider sits in the draft rankings, so protected asset Howarth is likely to be 2nd or 3rd in draft rankings which means, Poole would get 8th or 9th pick second time round! so the lower the pick in round one the higher the pick in round two!

I assume you mean Newman H !!!

 

It shouldn't be done like that though. If you choose to take a protected rider, something not on offer to most teams, there has to be some counter balancing. If Poole pick Newman 10th they get the 18th/19th pick. If Poole effectively pick him first they get the same 18th/19th pick.

 

Ranking the riders is very subjective, based on last season there is a big difference between Kings Lynn or Wolves selecting Robert Lambert (he won't be in round 1 of course), yet round 2 is based on a single ranking of a rider.

 

Surely its not beyond the promoters to select the best available rider (for them) ... well maybe not.

Assuming Robert Lambert is allowed to be picked in Round 2, then Coventry could pull a stroke. Select the lowest ranked Round 1 rider, maybe Starke, Rose or Wright and have first pick in Round 2 for Lambert !!!

[philfromcov]

Roynons average is 4.7 ish.

thats because he didnt attain a proper average last year, he couldnt score at all.

basically he will be frozen out this season, no one would take him on a 4.7

 

its dream land if you think these guys will take any points i feel sorry for them really!

 

coventry who were a shocking team last season would get at least 60 points against cradley, that's the gap, no point pretending otherwise

[The H Man]

I assume you mean Newman H !!!

 

It shouldn't be done like that though. If you choose to take a protected rider, something not on offer to most teams, there has to be some counter balancing. If Poole pick Newman 10th they get the 18th/19th pick. If Poole effectively pick him first they get the same 18th/19th pick.

 

Ranking the riders is very subjective, based on last season there is a big difference between Kings Lynn or Wolves selecting Robert Lambert (he won't be in round 1 of course), yet round 2 is based on a single ranking of a rider.

 

Surely its not beyond the promoters to select the best available rider (for them) ... well maybe not.

Ooops got the Kyle bit right - yes I meant Newman not Howarth sorry.

[500cc]

Ooops got the Kyle bit right - yes I meant Newman not Howarth sorry.

No problem !!! You had me double checking though.

 

There's a lot of Kyle's in British speedway, more than the national average I'd suggest.

[foamfence]

I think you'll find it is about what number the rider sits in the draft rankings, so protected asset Newman is likely to be 2nd or 3rd in draft rankings which means, Poole would get 8th or 9th pick second time round! so the lower the pick in round one the higher the pick in round two!

The riders are allocated, the clubs don't get to "pick", consideration IS being given to riders contracts and their locality.