Elite League Draft Riders

[stevebrum]

I'm sorry but your post is absolute tosh. The EL promoters are looking after their own self interest and it has nothing to do with them sorting the future of British youngsters; that is pure hype and spin. They have a broken product and they need to reduce costs. Simple as that. They have the opportunity to dress the solution up to make it look as if they have suddenly developed largesse towards the young GB riders.

 

They are real hero's these Elite League promoters, what a hole the sport would be in with out their undoubted abilities to con the paying public! I just cannot believe people are falling for their garbage proposals.

 

The one thing you have said that I agree with is "someone has to start" you are correct; but it would help if the start was planned around what is best for the young riders rather than what is best for a failing Elite League.

Sorry to be pedantic if you agree with part of my post then it cant be absolute tosh can it!

ALL the leagues look after their own interests, if they didn't then we just might have had a structure in place that had seen the British youngsters moving steadily through the leagues by now. The EL is no more guilty than than the other leagues.

Obviously if things were different we would have a strong EL with all the top boys racing here and none of the clubs would bother `developing` the future.

Of course the decision taken has been made to cut costs and `help the youngsters develop`. Thank god for that!

The only way i would accept a weaker EL is having up and coming Brits to watch develop alongside watching the likes of Woffy and Darcy et al.

Edited November 28, 2013 by stevebrum

[foamfence]

The EL is trying to sort the future of the youngsters in the UK, something that the PL cant be bothered with. It seems they are happy to have a foreigner doing the job instead. Someone has to start so the EL promoters should be applauded where the PL have failed.

Well said! Fully agree.

[Elephantman]

Sorry to be pedantic if you agree with part of my post then it cant be absolute tosh can it!

ALL the leagues look after their own interests, if they didn't then we just might have had a structure in place that had seen the British youngsters moving steadily through the leagues by now. The EL is no more guilty than than the other leagues.

Obviously if things were different we would have a strong EL with all the top boys racing here and none of the clubs would bother `developing` the future.

Of course the decision taken has been made to cut costs and `help the youngsters develop`. Thank god for that!

The only way i would accept a weaker EL is having up and coming Brits to watch develop alongside watching the likes of Woffy and Darcy et al.

Yep; I accept your riposte. However you are again falling for the Elite league spin; the fact that they need to cut costs has no relevance to any interest in developing young British talent. The two are totally unconnected but have been positioned by the Elite in such a way as we are expected to believe something like this,

 

"We have been working hard in the Elite League to find a way to support and encourage young British Talent. We have therefore restructured the competition to ensure that young British riders will be incorporated in to the Elite League teams to provide them with the structure and support required to nurture their skills and talent".

 

Now I've made that up, but all of the positioning of this change by the Elite has been to make it appear as if this is what they have done. They haven't, they are skint and need to cut costs. To do so they are chucking some kids in the mix and they can sink or swim. This was undoubtedly a proposal thrown on the table at the Elite League AGM without any detailed forethought or planning. They have taken it up and run with it because the Elite League are bereft of ideas as to how to fix the problems they find themselves with. It is a shambles and to believe they are making theses changes for the benefit of British youngsters is laughable!

[BANANAMAN]

The key words were ...... also riders with limited experience in the top flight.

 

 

This would most likely apply to Lewis Blackbrd rather than Andrew Tully.

Will Coventry be allowed to use Adam Roynon ? Young & British ? I cant think of any reason why they shouldn't .

[Crazy robin]

Will Coventry be allowed to use Adam Roynon ? Young & British ? I cant think of any reason why they shouldn't .

They shouldn't be allowed to as the riders will have to be of similar ability & any team would be stronger with a fit Adam Roynon in it.

 

This is going to be so interesting how they sort these riders out but I bet certain clubs will come off better than the others & that should only happen if those riders are their assets & they have had a National league team with them in.

 

Lets just hope the December meeting gives a clearer indication of the riders etc.

[BANANAMAN]

They shouldn't be allowed to as the riders will have to be of similar ability & any team would be stronger with a fit Adam Roynon in it.

 

This is going to be so interesting how they sort these riders out but I bet certain clubs will come off better than the others & that should only happen if those riders are their assets & they have had a National league team with them in.

 

Lets just hope the December meeting gives a clearer indication of the riders etc.

The lad has had horrid injuries over the seasons but clearly has the ability to become a full time Elite rider he was also riding National League 2 seasons ago , isn't that what this new ruling is suppose to promote ? Riders currently better than Adam are being talked about as reserves .. But I suppose it depends on which club wants to sign them at the end of the day .

[MrMungo]

Will Coventry be allowed to use Adam Roynon ? Young & British ? I cant think of any reason why they shouldn't .

He's not on the draft list.

[BANANAMAN]

He's not on the draft list.

Thank you , I didn't know .Where is the list ? please.

Edited November 28, 2013 by BANANAMAN

[INCOGNITO]

If one of these riders is injured or missing. Who can replace them ?

 

 

At the end of season and one is averaging 6 in the Elite League what average would he have the following year ?

[BANANAMAN]

If one of these riders is injured or missing. Who can replace them ?

 

 

At the end of season and one is averaging 6 in the Elite League what average would he have the following year ?

Would you be thinking what I am thinking ? I don't reckon they have thought this through very well have they ? All seems a little vague to me .. It would be really refreshing to see a few things written down so we can understand how this is going to be introduced .

[Crazy robin]

The lad has had horrid injuries over the seasons but clearly has the ability to become a full time Elite rider he was also riding National League 2 seasons ago , isn't that what this new ruling is suppose to promote ? Riders currently better than Adam are being talked about as reserves .. But I suppose it depends on which club wants to sign them at the end of the day .

I agree with you entirely but was merely pointing out that if he gets fit & is flying then the team he signs for will have a great advantage.

 

The situation is the same with Ashley Birks who will also be coming back from a bad injury.

 

I think this is one almighty cock up & there are so many things to iron out.

[MFE]

I'm sorry but your post is absolute tosh. The EL promoters are looking after their own self interest and it has nothing to do with them sorting the future of British youngsters; that is pure hype and spin. They have a broken product and they need to reduce costs. Simple as that. They have the opportunity to dress the solution up to make it look as if they have suddenly developed largesse towards the young GB riders.

 

They are real hero's these Elite League promoters, what a hole the sport would be in with out their undoubted abilities to con the paying public! I just cannot believe people are falling for their garbage proposals.

 

The one thing you have said that I agree with is "someone has to start" you are correct; but it would help if the start was planned around what is best for the young riders rather than what is best for a failing Elite League.

Absolutely spot-on, whilst the proposals for the young British Riders sounds laudable, it is 100% spin to justify yet another dilution of the Elite League, and how typical of the BSPA to leave everyone guessing as to the allocation of these riders, and to the race format, if they are just going to race each other in two heats, its hardly going to be of benefit surely! - There will almost certainly be a number of British riders currently with greater experience, that will probably struggle to get into a teams 1-5, in 2014, what then for these riders, we will see just how much the BSPA care for British riders at this stage.

This is cost cutting, it maybe necessary, but its still Cost Cutting at the expense of the supporters, so please don't try and say its for the benefit of British Riders, total tosh!

[stevebrum]

Yep; I accept your riposte. However you are again falling for the Elite league spin; the fact that they need to cut costs has no relevance to any interest in developing young British talent. The two are totally unconnected but have been positioned by the Elite in such a way as we are expected to believe something like this,

 

"We have been working hard in the Elite League to find a way to support and encourage young British Talent. We have therefore restructured the competition to ensure that young British riders will be incorporated in to the Elite League teams to provide them with the structure and support required to nurture their skills and talent".

 

Now I've made that up, but all of the positioning of this change by the Elite has been to make it appear as if this is what they have done. They haven't, they are skint and need to cut costs. To do so they are chucking some kids in the mix and they can sink or swim. This was undoubtedly a proposal thrown on the table at the Elite League AGM without any detailed forethought or planning. They have taken it up and run with it because the Elite League are bereft of ideas as to how to fix the problems they find themselves with. It is a shambles and to believe they are making theses changes for the benefit of British youngsters is laughable!

I haven't fallen for anything! Maybe it is dressed up as the `saviours` of the future of British Speedway. However if it helps fans re-engage with promising talents and keeps them on the terraces then it is still a step forward.

You may well have the point totally IF this rule is dropped next season or the near future.

I would like to think that the promoters finally see what a lot of us fans see and that is our great British league falling further and further below ever emerging nations year after year.

To save our clubs and future we have been craving for our promotions to do something for its future. Maybe i`m a bit of a romantic and hope that this is part of a big way forward. The sceptic in me says it will probably all change again next season as per. Doesn't hurt to dream a little does it? ;-)

Maybe it is another ill conceived idea but in all honesty i am right behind seeing the progression of youngsters on the big EL stage. Some will sink , some will swim. That happens in the NL and PL so it isn't really a valid point at EL level. If you watch Swedish Speedway on Premier sports more often than not the Swedish kids are way out of their depth but in some meetings they have a good meeting and it makes all the difference in terms of results and excitement on the terraces. That is the part i am looking forward to.

 

Agreed the ruling isn't in anyway perfect (are they ever?) and forms part of a ploy to cut costs and weaken the league. No fooling me. However i am behind the move if it means foreigners of the ilk of Ales Dryml not being allowed the comfort of a reserve berth all season. That doesnt improve the standard or quality of the EL IMHO.

 

 

He's not on the draft list.

When was the draft made as no one has seen it.

[stratton]

Absolutely spot-on, whilst the proposals for the young British Riders sounds laudable, it is 100% spin to justify yet another dilution of the Elite League, and how typical of the BSPA to leave everyone guessing as to the allocation of these riders, and to the race format, if they are just going to race each other in two heats, its hardly going to be of benefit surely! - There will almost certainly be a number of British riders currently with greater experience, that will probably struggle to get into a teams 1-5, in 2014, what then for these riders, we will see just how much the BSPA care for British riders at this stage.

This is cost cutting, it maybe necessary, but its still Cost Cutting at the expense of the supporters, so please don't try and say its for the benefit of British Riders, total tosh!

Spot on, did Cook say it was great for these young lads to mix it with Tai? what a lap behind.I want all these young English lads to get a chance and if the sport was run right most of these lads would get PL spots i am all for it.Newcastle have done it with Lawson, Robertson, the Worrals,Kerr, Jacobs( who did well at Glasgow) Greenwood and Bates have mixed it at PL level and a few others have too.But don't take the piss out of the English fan they know this is spin i do so hope somebody like a Andy Smith,Sean Wilson comes out of the woodwork but there will be endless others who have a uphill struggle.

[Crazy robin]

Spot on, did Cook say it was great for these young lads to mix it with Tai? what a lap behind.I want all these young English lads to get a chance and if the sport was run right most of these lads would get PL spots i am all for it.Newcastle have done it with Lawson, Robertson, the Worrals,Kerr, Jacobs( who did well at Glasgow) Greenwood and Bates have mixed it at PL level and a few others have too.But don't take the piss out of the English fan they know this is spin i do so hope somebody like a Andy Smith,Sean Wilson comes out of the woodwork but there will be endless others who have a uphill struggle.

An endless struggle & possibly then lost to the sport for good.

[Custom House Kid]

He's not on the draft list.

? Is that the draft/draft list or the actual draft list:-)

[E I Addio]

Spot on, did Cook say it was great for these young lads to mix it with Tai? what a lap behind

 

No Sidney, that's not what Cook said at all. The reading lessons are not coming along very well are they ? Go and check what Cook actually said, instead of what you imagined he said..

[stratton]

No Sidney, that's not what Cook said at all. The reading lessons are not coming along very well are they ? Go and check what Cook actually said, instead of what you imagined he said..

I can debate with the the likes of you all day long it is not difficult , get your head out of your own ass.Did Cook say this? he might of implied that it was a great learning process being in the pits (ect) but please the speedway board don't try to insult us making out they are doing it for the good of the sport.Take a chill pill and don't act all superior Addio, your opinion is no better than anyone else's. Edited November 29, 2013 by sidney

[E I Addio]

Yep; I accept your riposte. However you are again falling for the Elite league spin; the fact that they need to cut costs has no relevance to any interest in developing young British talent. The two are totally unconnected but have been positioned by the Elite in such a way as we are expected to believe something like this,

 

"We have been working hard in the Elite League to find a way to support and encourage young British Talent. We have therefore restructured the competition to ensure that young British riders will be incorporated in to the Elite League teams to provide them with the structure and support required to nurture their skills and talent".

 

Now I've made that up, but all of the positioning of this change by the Elite has been to make it appear as if this is what they have done. They haven't, they are skint and need to cut costs. To do so they are chucking some kids in the mix and they can sink or swim. This was undoubtedly a proposal thrown on the table at the Elite League AGM without any detailed forethought or planning. They have taken it up and run with it because the Elite League are bereft of ideas as to how to fix the problems they find themselves with. It is a shambles and to believe they are making theses changes for the benefit of British youngsters is laughable!

 

 

Totally incorrect.

 

What did Jon Cook say about it as long ago as last July? It was reported on this forum for those who bothered to read it (although it appears you couldn't be bothered).

 

What did Jon Cook say in his pre-AGM statement ? Something else it seems you couldn't be bothered to read before lurching into your rant, if you had read it you would know the primary reason for restructuring the league. It was clearly not something thought up on the spur of the moment as you consistently claim.

 

Nobody has said in any official press release that the primary reason for restructuring is to help young Brits. Having said that, if you had any idea what is going on at the Hagon Shocks Academy(something of which you clearly have no knowledge at all), it would be pretty obvious that something like this was the next logical step, although it has arrived sooner rather than later. It is a great pity that the PL promoters were not able to involve themselves in this scheme at this stage , although for perfectly understandable reasons explained by Jon Cook at the fans forum last week (which you obviously couldn't be bothered to attend ).

I can debate with the the likes of you all day long it is not difficult , get your head out of your own ass.Did Cook say this? he might of implied that it was a great learning process being in the pits (ect) but please the speedway board don't try to insult us making out they are doing it for the good of the sport.Take a chill pill and don't act all superior Addio, your opinion is no better than anyone else's.

 

 

I am not offering an opinion , merely suggesting you stick to facts . By quoting something that wasn't said you are putting the debate on the wrong course.

[Elephantman]

Totally incorrect.

 

What did Jon Cook say about it as long ago as last July? It was reported on this forum for those who bothered to read it (although it appears you couldn't be bothered).

 

What did Jon Cook say in his pre-AGM statement ? Something else it seems you couldn't be bothered to read before lurching into your rant, if you had read it you would know the primary reason for restructuring the league. It was clearly not something thought up on the spur of the moment as you consistently claim.

 

Nobody has said in any official press release that the primary reason for restructuring is to help young Brits. Having said that, if you had any idea what is going on at the Hagon Shocks Academy(something of which you clearly have no knowledge at all), it would be pretty obvious that something like this was the next logical step, although it has arrived sooner rather than later. It is a great pity that the PL promoters were not able to involve themselves in this scheme at this stage , although for perfectly understandable reasons explained by Jon Cook at the fans forum last week (which you obviously couldn't be bothered to attend ).

You really are a card. I don't believe the PL promoters were invited to join the party at all; as with the majority of fans (apart from you), this came from left field. You can attempt to justify the actions as much as you wish but the truth is fairly obvious to any one who is willing to look at this from a neutral viewpoint (something you clearly do not have).