g13webb Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Is there a list of these 6 or 7 riders? I imagine that they must have been seeded lower than the original 23 draft riders OR had 'done a Robert Lambert' and stated that they were after a regular team spot instead. I am a supporter of the EL draft, and hope that teams/riders do not exploit any new loopholes there may be in this new initiative, an initiative which aims to PROMOTE THE FUTURE OF BRITISH SPEEDWAY. This topic got mentioned on 'Early Predictions' Post No's 376+. Hope it helps your thinking, but I can see so many loopholes to be exploited by some.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Is there a list of these 6 or 7 riders? I imagine that they must have been seeded lower than the original 23 draft riders OR had 'done a Robert Lambert' and stated that they were after a regular team spot instead. I am a supporter of the EL draft, and hope that teams/riders do not exploit any new loopholes there may be in this new initiative, an initiative which aims to PROMOTE THE FUTURE OF BRITISH SPEEDWAY. Phil Morris was compiling the list, at the time, some riders were unable to commit because of work or studies, but they will go back on the list if their personal circumstances later allow. I would have thought that the 30 rider list is now complete, it didn't take very long to compile the original one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hopefully any additions wiil be ranked and I would say that where a change is made it should be for a lowered ranked rider and not just any on the list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Phil Morris was compiling the list, at the time, some riders were unable to commit because of work or studies, but they will go back on the list if their personal circumstances later allow. I would have thought that the 30 rider list is now complete, it didn't take very long to compile the original one. Its not as if we're spoiled for choice or anything is it!?? I would like to see this initiative really work, but I agree with the poster several days ago that suggested a better starting point would have been just ONE young Brit at reserve - with possibly a PL link-up?!. Then there would be plenty of options with a real chance for those that have the skills and wherewithal to really go for it . As it is - and with the greatest respect to them all - there are clearly some that are just 'making up the numbers'!! Edited January 23, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Its not as if we're spoiled for choice or anything is it!?? I would like to see this initiative really work, but I agree with the poster several days ago that suggested a better starting point would have been just ONE young Brit at reserve - with possibly a PL link-up?!. Then there would be plenty of options with a real chance for those that have the skills and wherewithal to really go for it . As it is - and with the greatest respect to them all - there are clearly some that are just 'making up the numbers'!! I think if you just had one, they would be too far out of their depth. With four in a match there is chance for them to race each other as well as main body riders and not get overwhelmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 kerr newman lambert garrity jacobs morris nielsen ellis blackbird worrall all fixed at number 7 for the start of the season wouldve been an ideal starting point for just one reserve. could have had the other 13 on the list as back ups in case of injuries. would have only faced number 5 once and the rest of the time second strings. the number 5 position could be fixed for the lowest averaged heatleader as well, which wouldve been a much better alternative than having two british riders at reserve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Probably been asked before,but dont want to trawl through over fifty pages.Who gets gets preference in Elite/Premier for a rider that neither teams owns,and where both teams ride on the same night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Probably been asked before,but dont want to trawl through over fifty pages.Who gets gets preference in Elite/Premier for a rider that neither teams owns,and where both teams ride on the same night. Premier League get preference if rider is not owned by either team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Premier League get preference if rider is not owned by either team Not if the EL club signed/contracted the rider first!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Not if the EL club signed/contracted the rider first!! Getting conflicting stories about this one all the time. Guess it's wait and see! Luckily for Coventry it's quite easy, Fisher, Garrity and Howarth are all owned by 1 of the 2 clubs they're riding for. Edited January 26, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not if the EL club signed/contracted the rider first!! Good news for Wolves then regarding Joe Jacobs.Signed as draft rider for Wolverhampton,before he put pen to paper to ride for P,boro in the Prem. Even though he rode for Coventry Storm,think he actually belongs to Ipswich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Good news for Wolves then regarding Joe Jacobs.Signed as draft rider for Wolverhampton,before he put pen to paper to ride for P,boro in the Prem. Even though he rode for Coventry Storm,think he actually belongs to Ipswich. As I understand it (insofar as anyone understands anything this season!), mdmc82 is correct and thus Jacobs would be the only Wolves rider where the management will have to keep an eye on the fixtures elsewhere, the others affected being club assets. But I stand to be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 As I understand it (insofar as anyone understands anything this season!), mdmc82 is correctYes. I agree. In terms of the doubling up riders in the EL 1-5, the Premier League team takes priority unless the rider is an asset of his El club. e.g. At Belle Vue, PL side Edinburgh have first call on Craig Cook, but Belle Vue have first call on Richie Worrall because he's a BV asset. (If he was anything other than a BV asset, Ipswich would have first call). But as for the EL reserves, who may also be riding NL or both PL and NL, then god knows what the priority is, except that I would imagine EL to have priority over NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 But as for the EL reserves, who may also be riding NL or both PL and NL, then god knows what the priority is, except that I would imagine EL to have priority over NL.I have asked the same question on other threads with the asset position seemingly having priority. Eg Ellis/Lakeside not Ipswich and Morris/Wolves not Worky. If neither then PL/EL/NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 With so many riders missing Elite League meetings due to doubling and trebling-up, will we see a rider appear for every Elite League club in a single season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Which sort of CMA average riders are missing out this season with two draft riders per team ?. Top end high or mediocre bottom CMA average riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Under this scheme, is there any protection given to the riders against being "dropped" by their club? Especially if a rider not currently within the scheme substantially improves his form/average. I'm only using this as an example because the circumstances were very different - but last season at Leicester the reserves positions became something of a revolving door situation as the club strived (unsuccessfully) to improve the number of points being scored from those positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Under this scheme, is there any protection given to the riders against being "dropped" by their club? Especially if a rider not currently within the scheme substantially improves his form/average. I'm only using this as an example because the circumstances were very different - but last season at Leicester the reserves positions became something of a revolving door situation as the club strived (unsuccessfully) to improve the number of points being scored from those positions. They can take another rider from the list, it was supposed to be expanded to thirty in total for that purpose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 They can take another rider from the list, it was supposed to be expanded to thirty in total for that purpose. Quite true Foamfence!! I expect the clubs know who the additional 7 or so riders are going to be, but as its not been made known to the fans there will probably be 'major implications' or 'a massive disaster' for the future of the sport, just like the new race format!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Quite true Foamfence!! I expect the clubs know who the additional 7 or so riders are going to be, but as its not been made known to the fans there will probably be 'major implications' or 'a massive disaster' for the future of the sport, just like the new race format!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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