Elite League Draft Riders

[stevebrum]

Auty has reached his potential and will be no more than a EL reserve/second string IMO

Possibly, some said Iversen had reached his level a few years back and would only ever be a back up leader!

And many said Tai was just making the numbers up in the GP`s this year!

 

Not quite a fair comparison, but you get the idea ;-)

[stratton]

He did OK but clearly not well enough for promoters to take a gamble on it seems. I think he could be ok at number 2 personally.I agree the riders mentioned SHOULD be reserves as well, only if the top 5 is a lot stronger than the points limit set allowed.Not sure why you included summers and fricke on a list of British riders tho!

Generally was what i meant the actual standard at reserve whatever nation they came from which you have to admit looks pretty poor. The PL supporters and i am one of them must be laughing there socks off.

[stevebrum]

Generally was what i meant the actual standard at reserve whatever nation they came from which you have to admit looks pretty poor. The PL supporters and i am one of them must be laughing there socks off.

Thats a valid point you make regards the standard of reserves.

Cant see what the PL supporters have to laugh at. Some of those on the draft are PL reserves anyway!

[Crazy robin]

but you're forgetting Lambert, Smart and Starke have places now so can show their obvious potential.

Smart has had more than enough chances as has Simon Lambett & the less said about Paul Starke after the part he had in Ricky Ashworth's accident the better.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Crazy robin

[foamfence]

Smart has had more than enough chances as has Simon Lambett & the less said about Paul Starke after the part he had in Ricky Ashworth's accident the better.

That's a rather nasty post. Lambert and Smart were chosen by their respective promoters in preference to other riders on the list, as far as I know Berwick intended having Paul Starke back this year but he wanted (and found) a spot nearer home. It's in everyone's interest to have the Draft riders do well and encourage them.

[Crazy robin]

That's a rather nasty post. Lambert and Smart were chosen by their respective promoters in preference to other riders on the list, as far as I know Berwick intended having Paul Starke back this year but he wanted (and found) a spot nearer home. It's in everyone's interest to have the Draft riders do well and encourage them.

It's not a nasty post at all but a reality post on the 3 riders & show me facts that would show me otherwise?.

Auty has reached his potential and will be no more than a EL reserve/second string IMO

Which will be alot better than 95% of the riders in the draft will achieve.

[foamfence]

It's not a nasty post at all but a reality post on the 3 riders & show me facts that would show me otherwise?.

 

Which will be alot better than 95% of the riders in the draft will achieve.

The remark about Paul Starke was uncalled for, as I said "Berwick stuck by him". Crashes happen, are you blaming Tai for Gollobs injuries and others for all the other injuries that riders have had over the years? The other two riders WERE selected in preference to others and deserve their chance. Not everyone will turn into an international from the Draft, but if it brings on some of them to a higher level it will have been well worthwhile.

[Crazy robin]

The remark about Paul Starke was uncalled for, as I said "Berwick stuck by him". Crashes happen, are you blaming Tai for Gollobs injuries and others for all the other injuries that riders have had over the years? The other two riders WERE selected in preference to others and deserve their chance. Not everyone will turn into an international from the Draft, but if it brings on some of them to a higher level it will have been well worthwhile.

There are things I could say but I'll leave it to the riders who witnessed Ricky's crash & gave their opinions on it.

[E I Addio]

Auty has reached his potential and will be no more than a EL reserve/second string IMO

 

 

I agree. I can't remember when Auty first rode in the EL but I remember seeing him as reserve for Coventry at Brandon in 2009. 5 seasons later he is still reserve/barely second string standard, still can't gate, still taking people off, still very little evidence of him using his head, still nowhere near even Barker or Kennett. What reason is there to believe 2014 would be any different?

[stratton]

I agree. I can't remember when Auty first rode in the EL but I remember seeing him as reserve for Coventry at Brandon in 2009. 5 seasons later he is still reserve/barely second string standard, still can't gate, still taking people off, still very little evidence of him using his head, still nowhere near even Barker or Kennett. What reason is there to believe 2014 would be any different?

On his day he for me is a better rider than Barker,has beat him regular anough at PL ievel.Last year at the BF what did Barker do ? also was Auty competetive at Cardiff?.Dont make me laugh Addio did you ever see him ride apart from the Micky Mouse Arena you watch at week in week out. One blink and the racing is over are you telling me Kennett and Barker are that much better.? Edited December 15, 2013 by sidney

[theblueboy]

On his day he for me is a better rider than Barker,has beat him regular anough at PL ievel.Last year at the BF what did Barker do ? also was Auty competetive at Cardiff?.Dont make me laugh Addio did you ever see him ride apart from the Micky Mouse Arena you watch at week in week out. One blink and the racing is over are you telling me Kennett and Barker are that much better.?

Sidney

 

Let's deal with facts not opinion.

 

• 2013 EL averages Barker 6.47 - Auty 4.90 / PL Average Barker 9.44 - Auty 7.24
• 2012 EL averages Barker 6.22 - Auty 5.79 / PL Average Barker 9.83 - Auty 8.09

Those averages suggest that you observations are incorrect. It suggests that Auty has regressed considerably as both EL and PL average have reduced by near enough the same amount.

 

Barker has his average based on being number 1 and that alone tells me he is a much better rider than Auty.

[orion]

On his day he for me is a better rider than Barker,has beat him regular anough at PL ievel.Last year at the BF what did Barker do ? also was Auty competetive at Cardiff?.Dont make me laugh Addio did you ever see him ride apart from the Micky Mouse Arena you watch at week in week out. One blink and the racing is over are you telling me Kennett and Barker are that much better.?

Is this post a joke ?

[stevebrum]

On his day he for me is a better rider than Barker,has beat him regular anough at PL ievel.Last year at the BF what did Barker do ? also was Auty competetive at Cardiff?.Dont make me laugh Addio did you ever see him ride apart from the Micky Mouse Arena you watch at week in week out. One blink and the racing is over are you telling me Kennett and Barker are that much better.?

 

Sidney

 

Let's deal with facts not opinion.

• 2013 EL averages Barker 6.47 - Auty 4.90 / PL Average Barker 9.44 - Auty 7.24
• 2012 EL averages Barker 6.22 - Auty 5.79 / PL Average Barker 9.83 - Auty 8.09

Those averages suggest that you observations are incorrect. It suggests that Auty has regressed considerably as both EL and PL average have reduced by near enough the same amount.

 

Barker has his average based on being number 1 and that alone tells me he is a much better rider than Auty.

 

The stats show the truth and i found it a little odd a comparison in the first place!

Auty is nowhere near as decent a rider as Barker on any level. But i thought that much was as obvious?!!

[stratton]

The stats show the truth and i found it a little odd a comparison in the first place!Auty is nowhere near as decent a rider as Barker on any level. But i thought that much was as obvious?!!

I like both riders Brum,both entertainers both worth watching, Barker has his critics but he is worth watching and is excellent value.But to state that Ben is in a different league to Auty is a little strange maybe the Scunny fans would no more than us.From what i have heard at times Auty has shown glimpses of class certainly at Scunny his from the back wins.HIs main weakness is his gating and consistency apart from Tai and Cook for me alot of the Brits are all a muchness all good on a given day.

[phillipsr]

Auty will never amount to anything in the sport and has been same level for about 5 seasons. The draft has worked well here as irs weened out those who are not good enough

[stratton]

Auty will never amount to anything in the sport and has been same level for about 5 seasons. The draft has worked well here as irs weened out those who are not good enough

The draft is poor,are you telling me the EL is now a better product? i paid 17 pound a week last year so why are we expected to pay the same for a inferior product.We are expected to watch 2 poorer reserve races nothing against those riders but by trying to keep the few stars we have Ward,Iversen (ect) has for me totally destroyed this league.

[SCB]

Auty will never amount to anything in the sport and has been same level for about 5 seasons. The draft has worked well here as irs weened out those who are not good enough

So we force out Auty, Birks and Roynon for Smart, Lambert, Starke and Halsey? Auty, Birks and Roynon may never amount to any more than 5 point EL men but then Lambert, Starke, Smart and Halsey will never amount to anything in the EL, they will never ride EL other than due to this made idea.

[foamfence]

So we force out Auty, Birks and Roynon for Smart, Lambert, Starke and Halsey? Auty, Birks and Roynon may never amount to any more than 5 point EL men but then Lambert, Starke, Smart and Halsey will never amount to anything in the EL, they will never ride EL other than due to this made idea.

They haven't been forced out, they've had their chance, there are other British riders in the 1-5 of teams, who promoters and team managers think are a better prospect, there will be changes anyway as the season goes on, you don't often get the same seven right through a season.

The draft is poor,are you telling me the EL is now a better product? i paid 17 pound a week last year so why are we expected to pay the same for a inferior product.We are expected to watch 2 poorer reserve races nothing against those riders but by trying to keep the few stars we have Ward,Iversen (ect) has for me totally destroyed this league.

You get more fixtures though, and most season ticket prices are either frozen or reduced.

[phillipsr]

Watching Auty is no different to watching young up and coming riders. He hasnt been forced out hes been found out.

[Hodgy]

They haven't been forced out, they've had their chance, there are other British riders in the 1-5 of teams, who promoters and team managers think are a better prospect, there will be changes anyway as the season goes on, you don't often get the same seven right through a season.You get more fixtures though, and most season ticket prices are either frozen or reduced.

They have been forced out by this ridiculous ruling. All had their chance but some progressed quicker than others - which now makes it much harder to secure a place in an EL 1-5. Whereas some that haven't done as well are given a team. Then again Speedway has a habit of penalising improved performers.