Midland Red Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well its started already. Kurtz has been named to the Somerset team on a 3.00 Well, I just hope he doesn't get to ride at Brandon whilst the dreadful Peter York is still there, as he couldn't pronounce the name Todd Kurtz correctly (amongst many others), so how he would cope with this one . . . . . . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) I've spotted a potential loophole !!! Does the regulation state to be included in the draft you must commit to GB, or does it state to be eligible for a reserve spot you must commit to GB. If the former ..... only in Speedway !!! Well its started already. Kurtz has been named to the Somerset team on a 3.00 So the rules have changed ..... and we all know what the next step is. The BSPA surely aren't going to allow this? If Kurtz isnt on the list he cant be included. The strength of control over the list is key. Dont invite him to join the list and refuse if he asks - end of problem. The more pressing issue is why he is on a 3 in the PL when he has ridden in the OZ U21 and in the Danish leagues. Thats 2 categories that are outside him being classed as a British 3 pointer IMO. Just a case of whether he should be a 5 or a 7 rather than a 3. Edited December 6, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Everyone seems to be basing their opinions on last season's/previous rules and regs!! Unless I've missed it (on the new Scb site) the new 2014 rules aren't out yet! We already know there will be changes to the race/heat format to accommodate the reserves - even though we don't yet know the finer detail! Whose to say that other changes are afoot and just awaiting final approval by the SCB?! For example if Worrall is getting a 2.5% discount at BV - which he must be, otherwise BV only have 2.99 left for their final rider - then why? He's been riding since 2010/2011! Edited December 6, 2013 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If Kurtz isnt on the list he cant be included. The strength of control over the list is key. Dont invite him to join the list and refuse if he asks - end of problem. The more pressing issue is why he is on a 3 in the PL when he has ridden in the OZ U21 and in the Danish leagues. Thats 2 categories that are outside him being classed as a British 3 pointer IMO. Just a case of whether he should be a 5 or a 7 rather than a 3. He shouldn't be a 3, but it appears the fight is going to be related to not restricting a British passport holder. So let's call his bluff and select him for GB. Once gain we are going to witness promoters looking after themselves. He shouldn't be at Somerset on a 3. And it doesn't take an Einstein to recognise that Ford has him lined-up to partner Newman at reserve. If that were to happen I wonder what they other British reserves will think? I suspect most won't get involved and just get on with it, at least to begin with. Less sure how they will react when they are made scapegoats for a team losing because Newman and Kurtz are racking up the points against them. There are only so many riders to fill these 20 reserve places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Am a little worried that the Brummies haven't sign one or two more in the top 5 yet but think its due to our lack of assets. As for all the moaning on here of cheating here there and everywhere, am just glad we have a points limit for the team each year (as its really the only sport you have to lose some of your team if you are successful). If we didn't with the financial clout of Poole and previously the panthers it would be a foregone conclusion. Hope Barker stays at Brummies really trier and will up his average in a weaker league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Everyone seems to be basing their opinions on last season's/previous rules and regs!! Unless I've missed it (on the new Scb site) the new 2014 rules aren't out yet! We already know there will be changes to the race/heat format to accommodate the reserves - even though we don't yet know the finer detail! Whose to say that other changes are afoot and just awaiting final approval by the SCB?! For example if Worrall is getting a 2.5% discount at BV - which he must be, otherwise BV only have 2.99 left for their final rider - then why? He's been riding since 2010/2011! This is the biggest problem with the AGM statement which never explains the rule changes which invariably leak out over winter and are not clarified until the rules appear sometime in February. The BSPA are completely responsible for writing and implementing chapters 17 and 18 and also the BSPA MC have complete control over team approvals whether illegal under the rules or not. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of the promoters haven't got much idea of the new rule changes and how they are implemented, I dare say the star will be full of some disagreements regarding changes before the season starts next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 he will eligible to ride in the NL though if he is classed as British and on a 3 point average..... Meaning he could sign for plymouths new venture and then ride for an EL team.... What's to stop him?? he must be, to be able to obtain a 3 point PL starting average. I am a bit confused by this. 1) Brady is the brother of Todd?? 2) both are Oz? 3) Did Todd get a reduction and does he have dual heritage? There is NO WAY that Brady should be included in the EL draft as this is totally against what we are trying to achieve here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justspeedway Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) I am a bit confused by this. 1) Brady is the brother of Todd?? 2) both are Oz? 3) Did Todd get a reduction and does he have dual heritage? There is NO WAY that Brady should be included in the EL draft as this is totally against what we are trying to achieve here. Todd came in on a 3 and also had a small stint in the NL when he first came over, yes they are brothers and have an English grandparent I believe. Edited December 6, 2013 by justspeedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Todd came in on a 3 and also had a small stint in the NL when he first came over, yes they are brothers and have an English grandparent I believe. Thanks for that. Then that makes a difference. Wonder why he wasn't on the draft list then, unless he is chosen to stay an Aussie. Bit odd tho all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Because he hasn't come through the NL perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Brayd Kurtz should not be a PL 3 though. To get a PL 3 point average you have to have come through the NL. Brady has never ridden NL, thus he is therefor a commonwealth rider and comes in on a 5 at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Brady Kurtz should not be a PL 3 though. To get a PL 3 point average you have to have come through the NL. Brady has never ridden NL, thus he is therefor a commonwealth rider and comes in on a 5 at least.I agree. Have you emailed the BSPA offices to tell them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justspeedway Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Thanks for that. Then that makes a difference. Wonder why he wasn't on the draft list then, unless he is chosen to stay an Aussie. Bit odd tho all the same. Well he has won Aussie titles already! tbh I can't see how they can successfully get him into the draft list what so ever… more chance of him doing a Lambert and getting named in a 1-5, just my opinion. Even if a miracle happened and he was on the list would he be happy on that points money? unless of course he is given a "deal" Edited December 6, 2013 by justspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Because he hasn't come through the NL perhaps? In which case he can only be listed in an EL 1-5 if that's the case. And its plain wrong he is on a 3 if he isn't doing the NL. Well he has won Aussie titles already! tbh I can't see how they can successfully get him into the draft list what so ever… more chance of him doing a Lambert and getting named in a 1-5, just my opinion. Even if a miracle happened and he was on the list would he be happy on that points money? unless of course he is given a "deal" So he clearly wants to be an Aussie, so an assessed 5 it should be for PL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justspeedway Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 In which case he can only be listed in an EL 1-5 if that's the case. And its plain wrong he is on a 3 if he isn't doing the NL. So he clearly wants to be an Aussie, so an assessed 5 it should be for PL. I honestly don't know what the process is though when you have an english relative and what this entitles you too, it has been a loophole in the PL for a while now when Aussies with a close english relative can come in on a lower average, and it looks at present that this ruling hasn't been changed.. In regards to the draft I thought (could be wrong) that at some stage the riders on the draft must have been in the NL and he obviously wouldn't have been. I should imagine he will have a contract somewhere abroad again also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 So when reserve riders from the draft get injured, who will replace them??.... It will be a NL rider surely?? Kurtz is obviously eligible for NL if he's deemed a Brit with a 3 point ave?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 So when reserve riders from the draft get injured, who will replace them??.... It will be a NL rider surely?? Kurtz is obviously eligible for NL if he's deemed a Brit with a 3 point ave?? It should be any rider on the list of Brits who has a lower average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) In which case he can only be listed in an EL 1-5 if that's the case. And its plain wrong he is on a 3 if he isn't doing the NL. Except he can't if the 2013 regulations are retained. He shouldn't be eligible anywhere in the 1-7 if we follow last years regulations plus the 2014 reserve regulations as far as we know them. Just wonder if he'll fall into the reserve 'guest list' and appear that way. Loopholes you see !!! As an assessed PL rider he isn't eligible for the EL (see Jon Cook's mistake with Adam Ellis last May). Whether they will be updated due to some EL reserves being technically in breach of that regulation is a different matter. Edited December 6, 2013 by 500cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 So when reserve riders from the draft get injured, who will replace them??.... It will be a NL rider surely?? Kurtz is obviously eligible for NL if he's deemed a Brit with a 3 point ave??It's supposed to be someone from the list, which is extended to 30 names, anyone who would have been on the original first pick list can only replace a first pick rider. So you can't fiddle it (even if you are Poole). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 It's supposed to be someone from the list, which is extended to 30 names, anyone who would have been on the original first pick list can only replace a first pick rider. So you can't fiddle it (even if you are Poole).This is the point I have made a couple of times. Strength of control over the list is key. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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