dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Has never signed a full contract in the PL or EL so therefore isn't an asset. Ludvig Lindgren rode a number of meetings for Wolves before Brummies signed him on a full contract. Adam Ellis has never signed a PL or EL contract with Lakeside but is an asset because he signed for the club - surely the same applies to Rose at Lynn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Adam Ellis has never signed a PL or EL contract with Lakeside but is an asset because he signed for the club - surely the same applies to Rose at Lynn. Adam signed for lakeside in sept 2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Lewis Rose 100% is a King's Lynn asset. Baggy is right that NL clubs have assets that is the reason we went NL, to produce our own. What makes you think Rose isn't a King's Lynn rider??? Josh Bailey signed as a full club asset last season. Never riden PL/EL Lewis Kerr is a full club asset and that was before riding PL/EL. Explain yourselves!?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Lewis Rose 100% is a King's Lynn asset. Baggy is right that NL clubs have assets that is the reason we went NL, to produce our own. What makes you think Rose isn't a King's Lynn rider??? Josh Bailey signed as a full club asset last season. Never riden PL/EL Lewis Kerr is a full club asset and that was before riding PL/EL. Explain yourselves!?!?!?!?!/ What is the point of a rider signing as an asset? I have never worked out whether a rider can refuse to be an asset for a club. Seems to me that by riding for a club for a short period the club is claiming the rider as an asset. As is seen in the current Kyle Howarth controversy, it is the fact that he is an asset that is causing the problems. So what does a rider gain? Does he receive a signing-on fee for example? There must be something in it for the rider for all of this to make sense (that's before you get into the whole discussion about the legality of such a system in its current form). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Lewis Rose 100% is a King's Lynn asset. Baggy is right that NL clubs have assets that is the reason we went NL, to produce our own. What makes you think Rose isn't a King's Lynn rider??? Josh Bailey signed as a full club asset last season. Never riden PL/EL Lewis Kerr is a full club asset and that was before riding PL/EL. Explain yourselves!?!?!?!?! If he was a Kings Lynn asset, then surely in the draft list it would be pointed out that KL own him and have a choice of using him as their first pick instead of Kerr. As he isn't listed as having an EL parent club like Kerr, Morris, Newman and Ellis then he is available to any club hat decides to take him on and Kings Lynn don't have a say in it. That would seem to point out that he never signed on as an asset but merely a temporary contract to ride for that season. Maybe he is an asset but Kings Lynn have declared they only want protection on Kerr to ensure he rides for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 If he was a Kings Lynn asset, then surely in the draft list it would be pointed out that KL own him and have a choice of using him as their first pick instead of Kerr. As he isn't listed as having an EL parent club like Kerr, Morris, Newman and Ellis then he is available to any club hat decides to take him on and Kings Lynn don't have a say in it. That would seem to point out that he never signed on as an asset but merely a temporary contract to ride for that season. Maybe he is an asset but Kings Lynn have declared they only want protection on Kerr to ensure he rides for them. Now I see where you've gone wrong. The protected assets are only available from the top 10 riders Which Rose isn't. All the riders not protected have to ride where picked. A number of the riders on the list are assets of other clubs. NL clubs too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Now I see where you've gone wrong. The protected assets are only available from the top 10 riders Which Rose isn't. All the riders not protected have to ride where picked. A number of the riders on the list are assets of other clubs. NL clubs too I believe they make the rules up as they go along. This whole scenario takes away all the positives that teams like Lynn do for the sport and distributes all their good work between other teams who quite frankly have done nothing. Had a few answers given me last night about certain rules but still remain to be convinced this is the right way to go for the long term future.( ME TOO) It appears the reserves will not get an average through the year that will come into effect. They will remain as a ranked rider and the only average that will be used the following season is their Premier League average converted. Hopefully when the list of standby riders is published, they will then work on a list or ranking of riders not in the original lists like Charles Wright etc so that if mid season a team needs to replace a rider, a decent replacement can be bought in. This is a classic. Now the RESERVE riders are going to race for a year in the EL and not get a an average. How bizarre is that. What will happen next year? Will they be able to be reserves again in 2015, 2016 and 2017 ? , All these issues are being created by the implementation of a doctored heats and weakened opposition. There are only a handful of class riders in our league and to change league structure on the pretence of protecting inexperienced riders is beyond belief. Talk about a can of worms!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) I believe they make the rules up as they go along. This whole scenario takes away all the positives that teams like Lynn do for the sport and distributes all their good work between other teams who quite frankly have done nothing. This is a classic. Now the RESERVE riders are going to race for a year in the EL and not get a an average. How bizarre is that. What will happen next year? Will they be able to be reserves again in 2015, 2016 and 2017 ? , All these issues are being created by the implementation of a doctored heats and weakened opposition. There are only a handful of class riders in our league and to change league structure on the pretence of protecting inexperienced riders is beyond belief. Talk about a can of worms!!!!! This is a sham rule change for a sham league. But I'm fairly confident that someone with connections to the co-promoter at Lakeside will have something to say about it. I just wonder if it all goes wrong who will hold their hands up to admit it was their cock-up? My guess would be the Elite League who are driving this will find away to blame the PL or the guys who got lumbered doing the draft! Apologies everyone always blames the BSPA, don't they? Edited December 2, 2013 by Elephantman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Is that because you can't read? Your'e not expecting a reply to that post are you, Jacques? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?, according to the BSPA, Poole were champions, therefore they should have last pick, almost like someone is admitting the play off system is flawed, the point is the best team in the land should have last pick, and according to the current system, that's Poole, so how that can be disregarded now ?. The correct way for decided NL picks should be: 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Play off semi finalist with least points over two legs Play off semi finalist with most points over two legs Play off runners up Play off Champions It's ridiculous the league system doesn't apply to be crowned champions, but it does to be disadvantaged by picking last. Edit: in Leicesters case, put them 10th and knock everybody below Peterborough in the table down a place. Edited December 2, 2013 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?, according to the BSPA, Poole were champions, therefore they should have last pick, almost like someone is admitting the play off system is flawed, the point is the best team in the land should have last pick, and according to the current system, that's Poole, so how that can be disregarded now ?. The correct way for decided NL picks should be: 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Play off semi finalist with least points over two legs Play off semi finalist with most points over two legs Play off runners up Play off Champions It's ridiculous the league system doesn't apply to be crowned champions, but it does to be disadvantaged by picking last. Selections from the list of remaining available riders will then commence in reverse order from the Elite League’s 2013 finishing positions, including the play-offs. Coventry will therefore receive the first pick, followed by Belle Vue, Eastbourne, Leicester (who are deemed to have taken the place of Peterborough), Lakeside, King’s Lynn, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Birmingham and Poole. Clubs who have already selected their own asset at this stage will not make a selection, and there is no requirement to select a rider from the top ten. There will be thirteen riders remaining for the second round of selections, and first pick at this stage will be given to the club which selected the lowest-ranked rider in the first round. As an example, should the first round of selections result in the top ten riders in the list being allocated, the club picking the tenth-placed rider, Tom Perry, would then receive first pick in the second round. Selections continue in reverse order based on the rankings from the first round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Afraid that's as clear as mud Neil (probably the same for many too), are you saying Poole indeed do get last pick ?. I've no objection to the reverse league finishing system being used for positions 10th - 5th, but in the case of the play offs, the order finished in them should be used for the last 4 picks that the order of the top 4 in the table. Also I'd pick Leicester 10th rather than In Boro's position, the step up from PL to EL is tough enough without being treated as the ghost of a club that by rights should have been in the play offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?,They don't. Poole have last pick as play-off winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Afraid that's as clear as mud Neil (probably the same for many too), are you saying Poole indeed do get last pick ?. I've no objection to the reverse league finishing system being used for positions 10th - 5th, but in the case of the play offs, the order finished in them should be used for the last 4 picks that the order of the top 4 in the table. Also I'd pick Leicester 10th rather than In Boro's position, the step up from PL to EL is tough enough without being treated as the ghost of a club that by rights should have been in the play offs. It is perfectly clear. All you need to do is read. Also, how on earth do you work out that Peterboro 'by rights' should have been in the play-offs. Edited December 2, 2013 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 They don't. Poole have last pick as play-off winners. Correct However, Poole have an option to play their joker and jump up to number 3 for Kyle Newman. It's a special condition to reward those clubs who have put most into junior development (or is it for those who've flashed the most cash !!!) It basically a version of Rider Control (with selected teams opting out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Also, how on earth do you work out that Peterboro 'by rights' should have been in the play-offs. Assume that the reference is to a somewhat suspect SCB appeal & a surfing competition an the zoo which shouldn't have started. Had the points not been withdrawn & Poole taken on a full & motivated Belle Vue on a decent track then it might have been so different? 'by rights' just means the best side for half a season,which wasn't enough when you're riding against the BSPA as well. Thought we'd been over this. Edited December 2, 2013 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Assume that the reference is to a somewhat suspect SCB appeal & a surfing competition an the zoo which shouldn't have started. Had the points not been withdrawn & Poole taken on a full & motivated Belle Vue on a decent track then it might have been so different? 'by rights' just means the best side for half a season,which wasn't enough when you're riding against the BSPA as well. Thought we'd been over this. you can't put back time so your argument is floored all ifs and buts Edited December 2, 2013 by kingbee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 you can't put back time so your argument is floored all ifs and buts That's true which is why it was worded as such but we all know that in reality it isn't floored, it's the wonderful world of Poole must win! Such is life, looks like we're out of that part of the joke at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 in reality it isn't flooredNo, but it's flawed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Selections from the list of remaining available riders will then commence in reverse order from the Elite League’s 2013 finishing positions, including the play-offs. Coventry will therefore receive the first pick, followed by Belle Vue, Eastbourne, Leicester (who are deemed to have taken the place of Peterborough), Lakeside, King’s Lynn, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Birmingham and Poole. Clubs who have already selected their own asset at this stage will not make a selection, and there is no requirement to select a rider from the top ten. There will be thirteen riders remaining for the second round of selections, and first pick at this stage will be given to the club which selected the lowest-ranked rider in the first round. As an example, should the first round of selections result in the top ten riders in the list being allocated, the club picking the tenth-placed rider, Tom Perry, would then receive first pick in the second round. Selections continue in reverse order based on the rankings from the first round. Surely if Newman is going to Poole then they don't have a right to pick from the top 10. It's not a case of not having to pick from the top 10 or could they have Newman and then still pick from the top 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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