Elite League Draft Riders

[BWitcher]

But Poole would get first pick in the 2nd round if picks to select Newman.

No.

 

The process is as follows.

 

Before the draft begins the 4 clubs with the protected riders are given the choice of taking that rider, or passing on them. If Poole chose to pass on Newman he would then be available to draft.

 

The draft then begins, with 1st pick going to Coventry. They can choose from any rider on the list + any rider effectively released by the 4 clubs above.

 

In the 1st round of picks, those who took a protected rider don't make a pick.

 

The 2nd round then begins, with the team who had the lowest ranked rider in Round 1 picking first, through to the team with the highest ranked rider picking last.

Edited November 29, 2013 by BWitcher

[foamfence]

If Poole pick him they will very likely end up with someone else near or at the bottom of the list.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

They have to declare beforehand if they want to retain the protected status that he has, otherwise the rider becomes available to others, protected riders are limited to the first round of picks.

So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks?

 

If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2.

 

The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2.

 

Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse.

Edited November 29, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[beesknees]

So Poole get last pick in draft 1 and dont pick Newman but instead pick No10 on the list.

They lose the protection to pick Newman but as they have the lowest ranked rider from draft 1 get first pick in draft 2.

So they then get Newman anyway and end up with by far the strongest pairing.

The only thing to prevent this happening is another team making a lowly pick in draft 1.

I should think the 4 clubs need to declare up front if they are taking their protected asset ... It's the only way it makes any sense!

[houdi]

Very much doubt Belle Vue would be able to buy Garrity at this late stage, to try and circumvent the system of the draft, although being Speedway you never know. If Garrity is considered the best available rider in the draft, then the Bees would be mad not to draft him, although keeping Havelock shows they are not averse to making barmy decisions.

Maybe collecting the wooden spoon wasn't such a bad ploy last season after all.

[beesknees]

So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks?

If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2.

The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2.

Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse.

I think it's quite simple really, can't see what the confusion is!

 

4 protected riders for 4 clubs

4 clubs declare first if they are invoking right to use protected asset

If they aren't then the assets not selected go into the draft

The draft commences with Coventry able to select first rider from the pool including any of the 4 riders

released at the start

Then the draft continues with the next club and so on ...

Edited November 29, 2013 by beesknees

[foamfence]

So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks?

 

If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2.

 

The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2.

 

Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse.

It means if they pick him, that is their round one choice over. In round 2 the team with the lowest ranked round one rider gets first choice, so Poole will be last or near last choice from round 2.

This might help. http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/index.html

[Alan_Jones]

Very much doubt Belle Vue would be able to buy Garrity at this late stage, to try and circumvent the system of the draft, although being Speedway you never know.

 

Very much doubt that Len would sell at a price that BV could afford.

[houdi]

Agreeing the price maybe the easy part, but getting them to actually pay maybe more problematical.

[Irk Deflector]

No Robert Lambert due to age?

 

What happens when he turns 16? Added to list with some underhand manoeuvring or frozen out for a year?

[jimmy jimmy]

Absolutely spot-on, whilst the proposals for the young British Riders sounds laudable, it is 100% spin to justify yet another dilution of the Elite League, and how typical of the BSPA to leave everyone guessing as to the allocation of these riders, and to the race format, if they are just going to race each other in two heats, its hardly going to be of benefit surely! - There will almost certainly be a number of British riders currently with greater experience, that will probably struggle to get into a teams 1-5, in 2014, what then for these riders, we will see just how much the BSPA care for British riders at this stage.

This is cost cutting, it maybe necessary, but its still Cost Cutting at the expense of the supporters, so please don't try and say its for the benefit of British Riders, total tosh!

Well lets get all those 4.5 point Europeans back in then, it was so much better

[Crazy robin]

Well lets get all those 4.5 point Europeans back in then, it was so much better

Doesn't matter a jot whether they come from Europe or Britain as it seems the same old clubs benefit when it should only be a protected asset if they've rode for that club in the National League.

 

Have any of the protected 4 done that as I don't think Lakeside or Poole have ever had a team in it & Morris rode for Dudley not Wolves?.

 

As clear as mud but at least John Cook didn't show a bias to Lakeside did he when making this decision!!!!!.

[stevebrum]

But Poole would get first pick in the 2nd round if picks to select Newman.

WRONG.

Poole are last pick for 2nd round if you read the the statement.

[speedy bill]

How can Newman even get on the list he as not been in the National league for two years or more,as Charles Wright refused to be on and same for Laim Carr if not why are they not named.Steve Worrell where is he.Confused again by B S P A

Edited November 29, 2013 by bw double

[500cc]

WRONG.

Poole are last pick for 2nd round if you read the the statement.

Third time lucky. If the pick Newman, Poole will actually pick 18th (8th in Round 2) assuming Kerr and Garrity are selected in Round 1.

[Alan_Jones]

No Robert Lambert due to age?

 

What happens when he turns 16? Added to list with some underhand manoeuvring or frozen out for a year?

 

We don't know. He may well have turned it down due to school/German commitments as with most Young Stars away matches, or may even not be happy with the points money. Can't see him having been frozen out for the sake of 3 weeks.

[Tsunami]

Doesn't matter a jot whether they come from Europe or Britain as it seems the same old clubs benefit when it should only be a protected asset if they've rode for that club in the National League.

 

Have any of the protected 4 done that as I don't think Lakeside or Poole have ever had a team in it & Morris rode for Dudley not Wolves?.

 

As clear as mud but at least John Cook didn't show a bias to Lakeside did he when making this decision!!!!!.

If you had read the report on the BSPA site, you would know that the draft list was put together by Phil Morris.

Never mind, a moan's a moan,eh

[stevebrum]

 

 

I suspect though he isn't eligible due to having an actual EL average. I think Newman has only ever been assessed.

It is a strange one, because Birks qualifies having come thru the NL/PL but to be named in a starting EL line up this season must surely give an unfair advantage on others on the draft list. Maybe his injury may have also prevented him from being selected in case he isnt fit - much in the same way that Robert Lambert isnt on the list due to not being old enough for March.

 

 

 

Im really hoping Coventry pick Garrity as capable of beating the other riders in the list and some 2nd strings

I really rate Garrity. Whoever lands him i can see having one of the best reserves on the list.

 

 

I agree Leicester should have had first pick

Not sure thats fair however they shouldn't be first or last.

 

 

 

So Poole get last pick in draft 1 and dont pick Newman but instead pick No10 on the list.

 

They lose the protection to pick Newman but as they have the lowest ranked rider from draft 1 get first pick in draft 2.

 

So they then get Newman anyway and end up with by far the strongest pairing.

 

The only thing to prevent this happening is another team making a lowly pick in draft 1.

I really hope that this isn't the case as already a nasty smell would be coming out of it.

[jimmy jimmy]

Didn't take long before Poole conspiracies are back. Christ, give it a rest, they get last pick plus Kyle Newman, what are you all so scared about

[stevebrum]

Didn't take long before Poole conspiracies are back. Christ, give it a rest, they get last pick plus Kyle Newman, what are you all so scared about

They dont have to pick Newman.