TMW Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) Or can be added to the stand by list for when a rider is unavailable. "and along with the three riders who do not get places in the initial draft we will be putting together a stand-by list for use during the season. Should a rider be absent from a meeting, his team will be able to select any available lower-ranked rider as a guest. Do we know if there are any rules for absences? That can always be a bone of contention. Does the NL rule still apply?......Any reason goes. NL promoters have rarely used it to their advantage. EL promoters could make some mileage out of it though. At least we know who they are now. That should put an end to the endless speculation. Edited November 29, 2013 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Just seen the announcement on the BSPA site. Whilst I am not sure NL riders in the EL is the best way forward, the way Phil Morris seems to have put this together seems unusually logical for a BSPA initiative. So kudos to all involved, I hope that the NL riders do now benefit from this. If this is all about development of young riders from the NL to top flight racing, what would be helpful is if there is some financial assistance from the BSPA to help these riders get the best equipment and mechanics to help them compete so there are no barriers preventing talent rising to the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 What happens if say Coventry want Garrity but they can't agree terms, does this mean Garrity can't ride for any EL club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 What happens if say Coventry want Garrity but they can't agree terms, does this mean Garrity can't ride for any EL club. I don't think there are any terms to be agreed.......They have all signed up, in writing, to what's on offer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 My opinion: First Round: Coventry will show intent and take Garrity (2). Belle Vue then have a toss up between Blackbird(4)/Nielsen(5) as next available rated riders or taking Steve Worrall (12) to ride with his brother and secure an early second round pick. They'll go with Blackbird (4), Worrall will be too much of a gamble. Eastbourne will pick Nielsen (5) up. Leicester will sign Steve Worrall (12) as all riders from 1-7 are now taken/protected and he is better than the available Starke (8), Jacobs (9), Perry (10) and Lambert (11). This also secures them an early pick in round 2. Lakeside take protected asset Ellis (6). Kings Lynn pick up protected asset Kerr (1). Wolverhampton take protected asset Morris (7). Swindon have a choice between Lambert (11) and local rider Reade (14). They take Lambert (11) as he has more experience and will be comfortable at Blunsdon. Birmingham have pick of the rest as Poole will no doubt take asset Kyle Newman (3). They go for Lee Smart (13), a former Brummie and also giving them first pick for the second round. Poole sign Kyle Newman (3). Second Round: Birmingham have pick of the bunch again and will take Joe Jacobs (9). Leicester will have a choice between Starke (8) and Perry (10) the latter's bigger potential will see them take Perry (10). Swindon will now take Ben Reade (14). Wolverhampton will sign Starke (8) as the best rider left and he also knows Monmore Green from his time at Dudley. Lakeside pick up local rider Ben Morley (18). Eastbourne take Danny Halsey (16). A team mate of Nielsen at Mildenhall and no worse than the rest left. Belle Vue have a choice between Hopwood (19) and Sarjeant (17) but plump for the latter as he has more potential. Poole take Josh Bates (15) as the best of the riders left. Coventry pick up Lewis Rose (20) as a rider on the up and expected to be riding in all three leagues in 2014. Kings Lynn have four riders left to pick from and take Ritchings (22) who has more potential than Hopwood and is better than Clegg and Greenwood at present. So that leaves: Belle Vue: Blackbird, Sarjeant Birmingham: Smart, Jacobs Coventry: Garrity, Rose Eastbourne: Nielsen, Halsey Kings Lynn: Kerr, Ritchings Leicester: Ellis, Morley Poole: Newman, Bates Swindon: Lambert, Reade Wolverhampton: Morris, Starke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Do we know if there are any rules for absences? That can always be a bone of contention. Does the NL rule still apply?......Any reason goes. NL promoters have rarely used it to their advantage. EL promoters could make some mileage out of it though. At least we know who they are now. That should put an end to the endless speculation. 1. “Should a rider be absent from a meeting, his team will be able to select any available lower-ranked rider as a guest.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I don't think there are any terms to be agreed.......They have all signed up, in writing, to what's on offer Are they all on the same money, what happens if one club picks a rider and decides to pay him peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justspeedway Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Are they all on the same money, what happens if one club picks a rider and decides to pay him peanuts. They are all on the same deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 So Ashley & Adam may get 100% fit ,start scoring points ,improve as riders,reach the verge of full time Elite status , possibly become internationals in a few years . BUT ...... because they could sign for a rivals club that wont happen ! I reckon anyone who reads this can read between the lines ! Wasn't what I was implying as who knows where they would end up & it should be riders of the likes of them who are helped but given the list below then the powers that be decide that both are not on it. But no surprise Kyle Newman a Poole assert & Premier Lge 2nd string is. Someone explain that to me please or am I just being anti-Poole again??? So Ashley & Adam may get 100% fit ,start scoring points ,improve as riders,reach the verge of full time Elite status , possibly become internationals in a few years . BUT ...... because they could sign for a rivals club that wont happen ! I reckon anyone who reads this can read between the lines ! Wasn't what I was implying as who knows where they would end up & it should be riders of the likes of them who are helped but given the list below then the powers that be decide that both are not on it. But no surprise Kyle Newman a Poole assert & Premier Lge 2nd string is. Someone explain that to me please or am I just being anti-Poole again??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think that thinking is a little naive. If there was an out-and-out future superstar in the draft,and Poole had first pick, do you really think they would ignore him just because he lived in,say, Sheffield? You are quite correct and if the rider had the ambition he would go. We must remember travel & being a speedway rider go hand in hand & is something all riders get used to, even if it is not the favourite part of their job. Similarly, if a rider choses not to ride for the club that he has been selected for then he has to accept that he will not be able to ride as a drafted rider and hope a club will pick him up for a 1 - 5 birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 But no surprise Kyle Newman a Poole assert & Premier Lge 2nd string is. Someone explain that to me please or am I just being anti-Poole again??? An interesting point. Which NL side does Newman ride for? I can't see him on the averages on the website, but the statement says it's NL riders taking up the reserve slots. How many riders in the list are not from the NL? Is it just Kyle or are there others. Or am I making a mistake in not seeing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 An interesting point. Which NL side does Newman ride for? I can't see him on the averages on the website, but the statement says it's NL riders taking up the reserve slots. How many riders in the list are not from the NL? Is it just Kyle or are there others. Or am I making a mistake in not seeing him? Each of the ten Elite League clubs will track two of the country’s best youngsters, who have progressed through the National League, at reserve in 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Each of the ten Elite League clubs will track two of the country’s best youngsters, who have progressed through the National League, at reserve in 2014. Where is your quote from? This quote: "The senior league’s teams will work to a 32-point limit for their top five riders, with two places being occupied by riders from the National League." Is from here: http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23255 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Where is your quote from? This quote: "The senior league’s teams will work to a 32-point limit for their top five riders, with two places being occupied by riders from the National League." Is from here: http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23255 Today's quote: http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23327 As you know, BSPA statements are a moving target !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Today's quote: http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23327 As you know, BSPA statements are a moving target !!! Ha ha. Brilliant. They've changed it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) Where is your quote from? This quote: "The senior leagues teams will work to a 32-point limit for their top five riders, with two places being occupied by riders from the National League." Is from here: http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.23255 Ashley Birks came through the NL & has a Elite lge average of 3. so why is he not on the list?. I have no problem with any if the other riders as they all have limited Premier Lge experience but the name of Kyle Newman sticks out like a sore thumb.He is so much more experienced than the rest & will clean up. Dodgy 4 point foreigners in the past have benefitted by own club Swindon in the past & I didn't agree with it but this was supposed to be a clean broom. Sorry doesn't look like it to me. Edited November 29, 2013 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I feel for the riders in this as it seems they have to go where picked regardless and that's completely unfair. A rider from the north gets picked down south and visa versa The riders had to sign up to the draft so I'm sure they know what it entails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 1. “Should a rider be absent from a meeting, his team will be able to select any available lower-ranked rider as a guest.” That doesn't answer the 'reason' for the absence. Just says what would happen if the rider 'is' absent. I'm just worried about teams streeeetttccchiiinnggg the rules because it just encourages endless moaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Ashley Birks came through the NL & has a Elite lge average of 3. so why is he not on the list?. I have no problem with any if the other riders as they all have limited Premier Lge experience but the name of Kyle Newman sticks out like a sore thumb.He is so much more experienced than the rest & will clean up. Dodgy 4 point foreigners in the past have benefitted by own club Swindon in the past & I didn't agree with it but this was supposed to be a clean broom. Sorry doesn't look like it to me. The list doesn't tell us who is eligible, just those who have accepted. Birks may be eligible and offered but may have turned it down due injury or other reasons. I suspect though he isn't eligible due to having an actual EL average. I think Newman has only ever been assessed. That doesn't answer the 'reason' for the absence. Just says what would happen if the rider 'is' absent. I'm just worried about teams streeeetttccchiiinnggg the rules because it just encourages endless moaning. I too wonder how this will actually be implemented as it is open to the normal abuse by EL promoters. Out of interest, does anybody know how many of the 23 riders are EL assets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Out of interest, does anybody know how many of the 23 riders are EL assets? Kerr - Kings' Lynn Newman - Poole Ellis - Lakeside Morris - Wolves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.