Arson fire Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 It's supposed to be someone from the list, which is extended to 30 names, anyone who would have been on the original first pick list can only replace a first pick rider. So you can't fiddle it (even if you are Poole).Have you link to this mate?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Except he can't if the 2013 regulations are retained. He shouldn't be eligible anywhere in the 1-7 if we follow last years regulations plus the 2014 reserve regulations as far as we know them. Just wonder if he'll fall into the reserve 'guest list' and appear that way. Loopholes you see !!! As an assessed PL rider he isn't eligible for the EL (see Jon Cook's mistake with Adam Ellis last May). Whether they will be updated due to some EL reserves being technically in breach of that regulation is a different matter. SR 17.2.1 Riders new to EL / PL racing are categorised as follows: Cat 1: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or the Swedish Elitserien of above 6.00 points and a Rider subject to a Certificate of Sponsorship Cat 2: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of 6.00 and below plus ALL other Riders riding currently in any Professional Speedway League, Cat 3: Riders not riding in a Professional Speedway League (not Cat 4) Cat 4: Commonwealth and USA (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway Cat 5: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur 17.2.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the EL /PL racing is: FIM Grand Prix Rider EL as SR 17.2.3 PL not permitted Cat 1 EL as SR 17.2.3 PL 8.00 Cat 2 EL as SR 17.2.3 PL 7.00 Cat 3 (not needing GBE Sponsorship) EL 3.00 PL 5.00 Cat 3 (needing GBE Sponsorship) EL 4.00 PL 8.00 Cat 4 EL 3.00 PL 5.00 Cat 5 EL 3.00 PL 3.00 Edited for formatting Edited December 6, 2013 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Have you link to this mate??It has been written in Speedway Star over the last fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Without looking through the previous 30+ pages on this Topic, where is The current Under 21 Champion ? namely Robert Branford, is he on the draft list, and if not why not? he is British Under 21 Champion and surely HAS to be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Without looking through the previous 30+ pages on this Topic, where is The current Under 21 Champion ? namely Robert Branford, is he on the draft list, and if not why not? he is British Under 21 Champion and surely HAS to be included. Robert was unable to commit at this time to travelling back to the UK for a full season. He will be a prime candidate for the 'reserve' list should he travel in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Without looking through the previous 30+ pages on this Topic, where is The current Under 21 Champion ? namely Robert Branford, is he on the draft list, and if not why not? he is British Under 21 Champion and surely HAS to be included. He may have declined the offer to be in the picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 SR 17.2.1 Riders new to EL / PL racing are categorised as follows: Cat 1: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or the Swedish Elitserien of above 6.00 points and a Rider subject to a Certificate of Sponsorship Cat 2: Riders with an “end of the previous season’s published average” in the Polish Ekstraliga or Swedish Elitserien of 6.00 and below plus ALL other Riders riding currently in any Professional Speedway League, Cat 3: Riders not riding in a Professional Speedway League (not Cat 4) Cat 4: Commonwealth and USA (to a maximum of 4 each season) Riders new to British Speedway Cat 5: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur 17.2.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the EL /PL racing is: FIM Grand Prix Rider EL as SR 17.2.3 PL not permitted Cat 1 EL as SR 17.2.3 PL 8.00 Cat 2 EL as SR 17.2.3 PL 7.00 Cat 3 (not needing GBE Sponsorship) EL 3.00 PL 5.00 Cat 3 (needing GBE Sponsorship) EL 4.00 PL 8.00 Cat 4 EL 3.00 PL 5.00 Cat 5 EL 3.00 PL 3.00 Edited for formatting Does this not confirm what I'm suggesting, or am I missing something? If Kurtz is joining Somerset on a 3, then he must be a Cat 5. (Not sure where a British rider with no riding history fits in. By the wording Cat 3, but seems a bit extreme). Then under rule 17.7.1b he isn't allowed to double-up. 17.7.1 An initial declaration can include only 2 Riders graded as “A” on the Listing approved at the EL AGM. In an initial or re-declaration up to 3 Doubling-Up Riders may be included who must at the time of (re)declaration: a) be in a Premier League’s currently Declared 1 – 7, have a PL MA established prior to the start of the season and c) give absolute priority to all British Speedway fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) He shouldn't be eligible anywhere in the 1-7 Then under rule 17.7.1b he isn't allowed to double-up. So did you mean 'anywhere in the 1-7' or 'doubling-up' ? Edited December 6, 2013 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 So did you mean 'anywhere in the 1-7' or 'doubling-up' ? I meant based on the confirmation that he has signed for Somerset, he would be a doubling-up rider in the EL. So on 2013 regulations he would be ineligible to double-up. That would only leave the reserve spots. 17.7.1b can't (you'd hope !!!) be applied to reserves. However, he should be ineligible for reserve as has never ridden NL. So I was saying that whilst he is a Somerset rider he can never be declared anywhere in a 2014 EL 1-7. If he quit PL racing then obviously he could ride 1-5 on a 3 average. Would that be the case, or is there more to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Except he can't if the 2013 regulations are retained. He shouldn't be eligible anywhere in the 1-7 if we follow last years regulations plus the 2014 reserve regulations as far as we know them. Just wonder if he'll fall into the reserve 'guest list' and appear that way. Loopholes you see !!! As an assessed PL rider he isn't eligible for the EL (see Jon Cook's mistake with Adam Ellis last May). Whether they will be updated due to some EL reserves being technically in breach of that regulation is a different matter. I was referring to Brady if he only did EL which obviously he isnt given he has signed for PL. So yes i agree, on last year`s rulings he couldn't double up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I was referring to Brady if he only did EL which obviously he isnt given he has signed for PL. So yes i agree, on last year`s rulings he couldn't double up. Shame, as he's just won the NSW title I believe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Shame, as he's just won the NSW title I believe!!NSW - is that Newcomer to the South West? Never saw that fixture listed on the BSPA site! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 NSW - is that Newcomer to the South West? Never saw that fixture listed on the BSPA site! I think it's the Not Sure What-I-am title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Shame, as he's just won the NSW title I believe!! Was he a Brit Wild Card like Auty was the other year. But Auty of course is from Yorkshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Shame, as he's just won the NSW title I believe!! Nice to have him over here. Just so long as he isn't added to the draft list and suddenly become a Brit to suit (unless he is planning to which would be good!) and then have the draft list abused by any promoter trying to get an unfair and unjust advantage. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Todd came in on a 3 and also had a small stint in the NL when he first came over, yes they are brothers and have an English grandparent I believe. And if I remember rightly he declared himself an Aussie(by riding in the Australian under 21's) and was no longer allowed to ride in the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Robert was unable to commit at this time to travelling back to the UK for a full season. He will be a prime candidate for the 'reserve' list should he travel in 2014. Which is a damn shame because hes in the form of his life at the moment , another good showing last night. Junior http://www.gillmanspeedway.com/news/cameron-woodward-spoils-the-party-for-parks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Robert was unable to commit at this time to travelling back to the UK for a full season. He will be a prime candidate for the 'reserve' list should he travel in 2014. And on the way I think these rankings are being compiled, will Rank Number 15 (to Robert Lamberts 14) if both were to make themselves available. Those two may swap depending on the exact method. Not too sure where Kurtz would rank if he were included (but not surprised I don't know because he's missing a key ingredient, NL racing !!!), but wouldn't be in the Top 13. So where would be a good spot to draft tactically? 13 sounds like a Smart pick to me !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I gather its the NL promoters meeting today. It will be interesting if anything is thrown up to affect the EL draft?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I gather its the NL promoters meeting today. It will be interesting if anything is thrown up to affect the EL draft?! Certain riders unobtainable by phone so to time to move on perhaps !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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