mdmc82 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Brady Kurtz to Poole soon somehow... Knocking bet Wasnt in the draft so if Ford wants to make changes it should only include the 3 riders that didnt get picked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Wasnt in the draft so if Ford wants to make changes it should only include the 3 riders that didnt get pickedlets wait and see....maybe I'm just a cynic .... Was Robert lambert in the draft?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I see the PL continues to play it's part in British development whilst NL riders have to go EL - Gino Manzares and Roland Benko anyone??!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 hes british!! If he's riding for Somerset on a 3 he ain't a foreigner Brady Kurtz is British?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If by some ridiculous fiddle Kurtz is smuggled into the draft system (when did he ride in the NL?) then everybody needs to pick again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Wasnt in the draft so if Ford wants to make changes it should only include the 3 riders that didnt get pickedThat's not true, the list is being extended to 30. lets wait and see....maybe I'm just a cynic .... Was Robert lambert in the draft??No he's going straight into the 1-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If by some ridiculous fiddle Kurtz is smuggled into the draft system (when did he ride in the NL?) then everybody needs to pick again.he will eligible to ride in the NL though if he is classed as British and on a 3 point average..... Meaning he could sign for plymouths new venture and then ride for an EL team.... What's to stop him?? Brady Kurtz is British?? he must be, to be able to obtain a 3 point PL starting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 What's the betting that Matt Ford will have reserve riders, riding for Poole this year, that was not on the original DRAFT list ??? Odds ON...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 he will eligible to ride in the NL though if he is classed as British and on a 3 point average..... Meaning he could sign for plymouths new venture and then ride for an EL team.... What's to stop him?? Nothing as long as it's in the teams 1-5. Not on the draft list, will not be at reserve. An amendment is required by the SCB as it's ridiculous to hear promoters talking about replacing their picks and we're not even into 2014 yet. I think these lads should be locked in until August. Yes I'm aware that is at the most important points of the season but it's about giving the initial picks a run. Not just 3-4 meetings and then they're sacked. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Nothing as long as it's in the teams 1-5. Not on the draft list, will not be at reserve. An amendment is required by the SCB as it's ridiculous to hear promoters talking about replacing their picks and we're not even into 2014 yet. I think these lads should be locked in until August. Yes I'm aware that is at the most important points of the season but it's about giving the initial picks a run. Not just 3-4 meetings and then they're sacked. I'd go further then that and say they should be locked in for the whole season, barring injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'd go further then that and say they should be locked in for the whole season, barring injury. And there lies the issue. "Hey Kidda, I'll give ya £2000 to take a month off. You can go to my doctor's, I've made him aware you might be calling." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed. The reserve positions are for riders who have come through the NL system. You can't just sign-up to an NL team and be eligible immediately for an EL reserve berth. Rather defeats the purpose of it. Otherwise you could get a rider riding once in the NL, getting is EL spot and leaving the NL team. Poole are likely to ride competitively before most if not all NL teams, so in the Kurtz scenario he end up making his debut in an EL match on the basis of being in a declared NL 1-7. The point re-locked in raises a big issue. These riders have been asked to commit to the EL. No one's questioning it is a big opportunity for them. Via the social media we can tell behind the scenes there have been some reassurances given to these boys. But its a two way thing. The promoters must also commit to them. The Number 7's in particular are NL only riders, probably riding about 20 meetings a season. They are being asked to do an extra 38 meetings this season. In terms of commitment that's a big jump, for many involving their support group such as parents. We can't have these riders being spat out of the system at this point. Imagine the disaster of this initiative if we end-up with less British riders by the end of the season if they've dropped out through disillusionment. That has nothing to to with blaming an individual. The system will be at fault. The promoters need to forget their ego's and see the bigger picture here as they will all benefit long term. History suggests long term is perceived as the next effective date of Green Sheet Averages, so my confidence is low. We are not offering riders jobs for life here. Just a guarantee of a set number of meetings. I'd like to think a rider himself could make the decision it wasn't working out for him, rather than been removed or pressured to announce he's pulling out. The reserve set-up is hugely marketable. I doubt I'm alone in actually being quite intrigued to watch reserve races with four young British talents to see who actually going to come out on top. You can be assured that one or two riders will surprise and in a years time their stock have raised hugely. And surely that's what this is all about. A few years of this (commitment to British riders, even if the method changes) and the pool of home grown talent will grow, because currently there are far to few Brits in the EL and PL. And there lies the issue. "Hey Kidda, I'll give ya £2000 to take a month off. You can go to my doctor's, I've made him aware you might be calling." It's exactly that type of thing blurring whether a rider chooses to step down or in football parlance, "the manger is leaving by mutual agreement" (a polite way of saying your sacked). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The problem is the promoters are trying to be one force to take the sport forward (AGM) but then they go back to the individual businesses and are bitter rivals that can't work surely and, what is to say Matt Ford is doing anything wrong. I have never been to Poole but it seems to me he is running a very successful business, hence him having a big cheque book, which a few could learn from He is a businessman at the end of the day. I just hope Lee Smart doesn't get caught in the cross fire as he could do without it, to be fair. it's an awkward position to be in. Do your best for your supporters or do your best for the sport. He clearly isn't taking it very seriously or he would have studied the list and researched. I think the fact that he clearly hadn't spoken to Lee before he spoke to the press says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If by some ridiculous fiddle Kurtz is smuggled into the draft system (when did he ride in the NL?) then everybody needs to pick again. The rule state that to be eligible for a 3 point average you have to have come through the NL. Kurtz has a 3 point average so I can only assume he rode NL and we all missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The ideas of bringing young British riders into the equation has sure done a good job in equalising the teams out. Looking at the teams already announced, they all appear to be consistent in that they all seem competitive, with strong heat leaders and new reserves. This can only be good for the sport. If we can ensure all meetings are close and exciting, I'm sure the terraces will fill up. The last thing we want is predictable outcomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The ideas of bringing young British riders into the equation has sure done a good job in equalising the teams out. Looking at the teams already announced, they all appear to be consistent in that they all seem competitive, with strong heat leaders and new reserves. This can only be good for the sport. If we can ensure all meetings are close and exciting, I'm sure the terraces will fill up. The last thing we want is predictable outcomes. Yes, lets have this won on the track, not off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The rule state that to be eligible for a 3 point average you have to have come through the NL. Kurtz has a 3 point average so I can only assume he rode NL and we all missed it. I believe part of the Draft Rider agreement is that you have to commit to GB for 5 yrs, I cant see why Brady would want do that so I dont think the problem will arise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I believe part of the Draft Rider agreement is that you have to commit to GB for 5 yrs, I cant see why Brady would want do that so I dont think the problem will arise. I've spotted a potential loophole !!! Does the regulation state to be included in the draft you must commit to GB, or does it state to be eligible for a reserve spot you must commit to GB. If the former ..... only in Speedway !!! The rule state that to be eligible for a 3 point average you have to have come through the NL. Kurtz has a 3 point average so I can only assume he rode NL and we all missed it. Well its started already. Kurtz has been named to the Somerset team on a 3.00 So the rules have changed ..... and we all know what the next step is. The BSPA surely aren't going to allow this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I am all for bringing on British riders, but I don't think this is the right way to about it. Most of the riders in the draft are PL reserves, how are they expected to compete against EL riders. It may help the riders progress, but it won't improve the entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I am all for bringing on British riders, but I don't think this is the right way to about it. Most of the riders in the draft are PL reserves, how are they expected to compete against EL riders. It may help the riders progress, but it won't improve the entertainment.They are mostly competing against each other, apart from second strings who are likely to be 3,4 or 5 point riders themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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