Elite League Draft Riders

[superguest]

Maybe Bristol to Edinburgh flight may be an option!

[SCB]

Slightly worrying reading facebook and twitter that riders didn't realise what was going on and they had to go where they were told. Some didnt even know whom had picked them this afternon!

[Neil H]

I know you're always on the look out for anti-Aces decisions ... but on this occasion, I think Swindon gambling on Steve Worrall's end-of-2013 form being worthy of their tail-end first-round pick has thrown an unexpected spanner in any plans Belle Vue had to use their second-round pick on Steve.

 

I'm still seriously wondering whether Swindon paid any attention to any Premier League signings when picking an Edinburgh-bound rider !!

Quite interesting that Manchester lad Worrell goes to Swindon and Reade (from the Swindon area) goes to Belle Vue.

[SCB]

Quite interesting that Manchester lad Worrell goes to Swindon and Reade (from the Swindon area) goes to Belle Vue.

It'd be interesting to know what the riders were told about all this and how it was going to work. It looks like a few feel a little upset.

[stevebrum]

It'd be interesting to know what the riders were told about all this and how it was going to work. It looks like a few feel a little upset.

If the vast majority had any real ambition they would and should be over excited at the chance - NOT be upset.

[therefused]

maybe they agreed to sign up for the deal, but didnt actually agree to being placed wherever? agreed, it is a super opportunity for them, but i reckon a few of them thought they could sign to a club a bit closer to home.

[SPD444]

Quite interesting that Manchester lad Worrell goes to Swindon and Reade (from the Swindon area) goes to Belle Vue.

 

This draft is almost a copy of the NFL draft when the worst team can draft the best player and so on. There is also an opportunity for teams who have drafted players to trade/swap with players drafted by other teams ( Eli Manning and Philip Rivers come to mind ). Could the Aces and Swindon to that?

[Islander15]

Garrity may not be a product of Coventry but he's not a product of any EL teams NL team is he? Hence he was not linked to any team in the draft so a poor example there.

 

 

Garrity doesnt have an EL average. His Pl average is about 5.5 which converts to about 3.3 EL if we were using averages.

 

He rode for Belle Vue Colts.

 

Yea two riders who as PL reserves got Sacked for last year for not being good enough ...yea outstanding .

 

Worrall at the end of the season was a different rider than the one that started! 17 points from 6 rides at Dudley. Likewise last year was only Bates' second in the sport so it wasn't surprising that he struggled to start with but was beating the best in the league for Mildenhall by the end of it.

 

I did. Because Coventry having a NL team means that if James Shanes or Luke Crang become any good they should be Coventrys choice for 2015. But if anyone can sign them, whats the point of Coventry bothering to run NL racing? They may as well let someone else get them and pick them in the same draft as everyone else. At least if them riders come good now Coventry get them.

 

Considering Rose became a protected pick and was in the second round presumably they could protect Crang etc next year.

[BWitcher]

Slightly worrying reading facebook and twitter that riders didn't realise what was going on and they had to go where they were told. Some didnt even know whom had picked them this afternon!

What planet have they been living on is the question I would ask.

 

Perhaps we're seeing again why promoters have been shying away from signing British riders..

Edited December 4, 2013 by BWitcher

[chopper]

Slightly worrying reading facebook and twitter that riders didn't realise what was going on and they had to go where they were told. Some didnt even know whom had picked them this afternon!

Not sure about that,

Agree to race for any Elite League team that selects you in the draft.

 

Taken directly from the agreement letter.

 

Chopper

[pandorum]

 

Good to see the youngsters getting right behind it. Just reading the thread on the Leicester facebook site between the Lions fans and Max Clegg. Couldn't make it up!

Well to be honest Max only has himself to blame first of all for agreeing to it which he must have done and then not having the sense to actually take an interest in the process.

It shows a lack of enthusiasm for what is being done which seems to be endemic in our young riders.

 

Which probably explains why countries like Denmark produce a steady stream of speedway talent and we don't.

 

Of course the reasons for this draft are dubious, the pay poor and who knows if it will work or all fall apart by May but it's a chance to learn and progress and if a speedway rider wants to better himself he should grasp the chance with both hands or else he is just wasting his own time and everybody elses.

Edited December 4, 2013 by pandorum

[muirspud]

So if these draft riders, also sign for a premier league club. Which club has priority if both clubs ride on the same night? Do these draft riders become assets of these clubs now, or some of them?

[500cc]

 

 

 

 

 

Considering Rose became a protected pick and was in the second round presumably they could protect Crang etc next year.

Not according to Kings Lynn's website he wasn't protected.

 

The BSPA tweet suggests otherwise and rather lets the cat out of the bag. BSPA probably now regretting their venture into social media.

 

Leicesters picks were a bit puzzling.

 

Perry when I have seen him is a great little racer but wouldnt hit the first turn in front even if he had his own gate that went up half a second earlier - hardly what you need at Leicester!

 

Then having an early round 2 pick they go for one of the lowest ranked on the list. I know nothing of Clegg but that still seems strange.

That's assuming they really had as full a choice as the published rules. Ten promoters sit in a room all day discussing speedway matters. By the time bricks have been bought, assets loaned, backs scratched, I doubt there were many decisions to be made.

 

I don't believe this was the open draft we have been sold.

 

It'd be interesting to know what the riders were told about all this and how it was going to work. It looks like a few feel a little upset.

Based on my comments above, whatever they were told was probably changed anyway, so you can't blame them. Will be interesting to see how many of them pull out pre-season citing mis-information from the BSPA and/or their drafting club; especially related to finances. Do the riders even know if their PL or EL commitments take priority? Have the BSPA even decided this yet? Richie Worrall made a good point not to believe what we read on message boards. In other words there was already a discrepancy between what was released publicly, and what the riders had been told.

[Nellie]

Not according to Kings Lynn's website he wasn't protected.

 

The BSPA tweet suggests otherwise and rather lets the cat out of the bag. BSPA probably now regretting their venture into social media.

 

 

That's assuming they really had as full a choice as the published rules. Ten promoters sit in a room all day discussing speedway matters. By the time bricks have been bought, assets loaned, backs scratched, I doubt there were many decisions to be made.

 

I don't believe this was the open draft we have been sold.

 

Fully agree with this. Also, James Sergeant getting picked last sticks out a bit, as do Leicester's selections.

[TMW]

Well to be honest Max only has himself to blame first of all for agreeing to it which he must have done and then not having the sense to actually take an interest in the process.

It shows a lack of enthusiasm for what is being done which seems to be endemic in our young riders.

 

Which probably explains why countries like Denmark produce a steady stream of speedway talent and we don't.

 

Of course the reasons for this draft are dubious, the pay poor and who knows if it will work or all fall apart by May but it's a chance to learn and progress and if a speedway rider wants to better himself he should grasp the chance with both hands or else he is just wasting his own time and everybody elses.

By the same token you could also give him the benefit of the doubt and work on the principle he wasn't expecting to be picked on the other riders who were in front of him on the list and, therefore suffering from an element of shock. Maybe instant social media has it's draw backs.

[500cc]

Fully agree with this. Also, James Sergeant getting picked last sticks out a bit, as do Leicester's selections.

Yes the Sargeant one was interesting too. Isolated surprising, but with everything else a little too convenient.

 

Then you have Swindon claiming to have picked the exact two riders they wanted.

 

And a team that appeared to have lost out on the day, probably having pulled out a tactical masterstroke/loophole.

 

I accept it's not like a random selection process as obviously on a draft board (order of preferred riders), teams would rank riders differently especially due to the tracks they will be riding, but looks like a lot of deals went on here.

[Hunty]

The draft happened on twitter to quick to be happening one rider at a time. They rattled through like it had been already made! The draft wasnt like they going up to the board and picking a rider one at a time.

 

It has got to have been influenced for it to end up the way it has!

Edited December 4, 2013 by Hunty

[SCB]

The draft happened on twitter to quick to be happening one rider at a time. They rattled through like it had been already made! The draft wasnt like they going up to the board and picking a rider one at a time.

 

It has got to have been influenced for it to end up the way it has!

How long do you think it take someone to give the name of the rider they want? About 5-10 seconds each.

[Nellie]

How long do you think it take someone to give the name of the rider they want? About 5-10 seconds each.

At least three or four times that SCB, I've seen this type of selection process before. Mick Horton will have been hamming it up, faking indecision before picking up the lot with Garrity's name on, chuckling and holding it along the arm of his heavily sponsored jacket sleeve for ten seconds so the camera could pan in.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Nellie

[NeilWatson]

You have a very vivid imagination........