oldtimer Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 But last year's format (while fine for a few) had many clubs finishing official fixtures by the end of August! More official matches are required -- hence the conference system. No problem for the realists. You say many clubs are finished by end of August, not sure there was many, many clubs however were struggling to complete their fixtures, as far as I remember the cup competitions went into October, Somerset winning the League on a wet last day of the season. It would make more sense that if we have a dry summer for a change, and with few rain offs, and if some teams finish their fixtures early, that the BSPA declare another end of season competition, which is open to any teams (not compulsory) who wish to take part. Does not matter what you call it or the format. With this Mickey Mouse choose your own teams system, you don't know before the start of the season who will be the weak teams or the strong teams, especially when injuries come into play. You will find some clubs playing twice against bottom of the League clubs and some playing twice against top of the League clubs, hardly a level playing field to decide the champions. Ipswich have 'drawn' Peterborough and Rye house for their 2 teams Ipswich meet Rye at home on May 31st and 26th June, Somerset have also drawn Rye House to double with and meet them at home on 6th June and 8th August. I don't know how many teams have chosen Rye House, but presumably every team could double with Rye or is there a limit, would be interested to know, how or what priority this system works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) You say many clubs are finished by end of August, not sure there was many, many clubs however were struggling to complete their fixtures, as far as I remember the cup competitions went into October, Somerset winning the League on a wet last day of the season. It would make more sense that if we have a dry summer for a change, and with few rain offs, and if some teams finish their fixtures early, that the BSPA declare another end of season competition, which is open to any teams (not compulsory) who wish to take part. Does not matter what you call it or the format. With this Mickey Mouse choose your own teams system, you don't know before the start of the season who will be the weak teams or the strong teams, especially when injuries come into play. You will find some clubs playing twice against bottom of the League clubs and some playing twice against top of the League clubs, hardly a level playing field to decide the champions.If you look at the fixtures I think you'll find that these 'extra' fixtures have been fitted in throughout the season and not at the end so the factors you are alluding to shouldn't be that much of an issue. As for Somerset struggling to complete their fixtures I think that was down to them being involved in all competitions to their completion and their number one having a similar situation in the Elite League. Edited January 18, 2014 by Steve55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 You say many clubs are finished by end of August, not sure there was many, many clubs however were struggling to complete their fixtures, as far as I remember the cup competitions went into October, Somerset winning the League on a wet last day of the season. It would make more sense that if we have a dry summer for a change, and with few rain offs, and if some teams finish their fixtures early, that the BSPA declare another end of season competition, which is open to any teams (not compulsory) who wish to take part. Does not matter what you call it or the format. With this Mickey Mouse choose your own teams system, you don't know before the start of the season who will be the weak teams or the strong teams, especially when injuries come into play. You will find some clubs playing twice against bottom of the League clubs and some playing twice against top of the League clubs, hardly a level playing field to decide the champions. Ipswich meet Rye at home on May 31st and 26th June, Somerset have also drawn Rye House to double with and meet them at home on 6th June and 8th August. I don't know how many teams have chosen Rye House, but presumably every team could double with Rye or is there a limit, would be interested to know, how or what priority this system works. EXACTLY Yet another 'silly' System brought in without any thought for the Supporters. Actually :- WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT AT ALL!!! :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 If you look at the fixtures I think you'll find that these 'extra' fixtures have been fitted in throughout the season and not at the end so the factors you are alluding to shouldn't be that much of an issue. As for Somerset struggling to complete their fixtures I think that was down to them being involved in all competitions to their completion and their number one having a similar situation in the Elite League. They weren't involved in the LC finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antebellum Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 The 'conference' system, when clubs do not play every opponent the same number of times, has worked successfully in the four major American sports for many years. The most financially-viable sports leagues in the world, I would think. Better to have a full list of meaningful fixtures than run through a short list and be finished before the kids are even back at school. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brujas Espanolas Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 ......... but presumably every team could double with Rye or is there a limit, would be interested to know, how or what priority this system works. Can't see how, because if they did Rye would then have 24 away fixtures!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpswichDave Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 The 'conference' system, when clubs do not play every opponent the same number of times, has worked successfully in the four major American sports for many years. The most financially-viable sports leagues in the world, I would think. Better to have a full list of meaningful fixtures than run through a short list and be finished before the kids are even back at school. The only difference is that the US "extra" matches are not picked or done by geography but are based on a rotation over X amount of years so that you play all opponents over the course of the rotation; thus removing the bias that others are referring to here. Whether you end up playing easier teams or harder teams is then based on luck of the draw and is the same for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 The only difference is that the US "extra" matches are not picked or done by geography but are based on a rotation over X amount of years so that you play all opponents over the course of the rotation; thus removing the bias that others are referring to here. Whether you end up playing easier teams or harder teams is then based on luck of the draw and is the same for all. That's fine - until they change the System in TWO years time. :rolleyes: It HAS happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvm Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Well according to the B.S.P.A website:-PLAY-OFF PICTURE - HOW IT WORKS - Teams race 24 meetings (12 home, 12 away). The top six then go forward to the play-offs.- The play-offs are split into two groups of three teams. Teams finishing 1st and 2nd after the initial 24 meetings get to choose the two teams they wish to have in their play-off group. A total of a further 4 meetings are then raced in each group (2 home, 2 away).- The winner of each group then race off over two legs in the Grand Final. Winners of the Grand Final are crowned Premier League Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Well according to the B.S.P.A website:- PLAY-OFF PICTURE - HOW IT WORKS - Teams race 24 meetings (12 home, 12 away). The top six then go forward to the play-offs. - The play-offs are split into two groups of three teams. Teams finishing 1st and 2nd after the initial 24 meetings get to choose the two teams they wish to have in their play-off group. A total of a further 4 meetings are then raced in each group (2 home, 2 away). - The winner of each group then race off over two legs in the Grand Final. Winners of the Grand Final are crowned Premier League Champions. :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvm Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 In light of the thread title, I thought the reference to " -Teams race 24 meetings (12 home, 12 away)." would be the more relevant part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I think they just havent updated from last years set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Well The White Knight is up in arms about it. That normally means it's a damn good idea, but they just didn't happen to be doing it in 1972. Personally, I have no problem with it. You set the number of fixtures according to what the number of fixtures that the clubs and fans want. All the best Rob Edited January 21, 2014 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well The White Knight is up in arms about it. They normally means it's a damn good idea, but they just didn't happen to be doing it in 1972. Personally, I have no problem with it. You set the number of fixtures according to what the number of fixtures that the clubs and fans want. All the best Rob How many fans, from how many clubs, were asked how many fixtures they wanted? In fact, when was the last time fans were asked what they wanted in general? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 How many fans, from how many clubs, were asked how many fixtures they wanted? In fact, when was the last time fans were asked what they wanted in general? Wasn't the feedback from a lot of fans last season that they weren't enough fixtures? Or did I imagine lots of the posts on this forum? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Wasn't the feedback from a lot of fans last season that they weren't enough fixtures? Or did I imagine lots of the posts on this forum? All the best Rob So, a few dozen fans from each club, who post on a forum, are "a lot of fans" now? And, all of a sudden, the BSPA and rule-makers, are interested in what is being said on a forum?? Maybe those teams whose meaningful fixtures ended before the beginning of September will welcome more fixtures, but I'm not so sure about those who had to run double-headers and twice a week to fit the fixtures in. Edited January 21, 2014 by The Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 The only difference is that the US "extra" matches are not picked or done by geography but are based on a rotation over X amount of years so that you play all opponents over the course of the rotation; thus removing the bias that others are referring to here. It's not entirely the case. The NFL is maybe the best balanced in that teams from any one division will all play the same opponents in 14 of the 16 matches, but there are still a couple of semi-random match-ups determined by finishing positions the previous season, plus one team may play a team in another division at home and whilst another would play them away. The MLB inter-league games are a bit weird in that whilst one division will roughly play another division the same year, but not every team the same number of times, plus they always play a defined rival in a 'local' derby every year. Except for 8 teams who have two defined local rivals who they alternate playing against... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) So, a few dozen fans from each club, who post on a forum, are "a lot of fans" now? And, all of a sudden, the BSPA and rule-makers, are interested in what is being said on a forum?? Maybe those teams whose meaningful fixtures ended before the beginning of September will welcome more fixtures, but I'm not so sure about those who had to run double-headers and twice a week to fit the fixtures in. I think quite a few promoters are quite interested in what is said on forums. Who had to run twice a week last year? There were 34 weeks in the speedway season, not an excessive amount of rain during the actual season (despite very wet winters either side), and no-one had anything like 34 official fixtures to stage at their track. All the best Rob Edited January 21, 2014 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I think quite a few promoters are quite interested in what is said on forums. Who had to run twice a week last year? There were 34 weeks in the speedway season, not an excessive amount of rain during the actual season (despite very wet winters either side), and no-one had anything like 34 official fixtures to stage at their track. All the best Rob Rye and Workington for two ran a double header and Newcastle had to run a Sunday and the following night in 2013. There's three for a start. And the year before, when teams had to forfeit there second legs to help with fixture congestion? (i.e Workington) Edited January 21, 2014 by The Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Can't see what's wrong with having the season run into October, as long as the weathers ok. Makes the 'closed season' seem shorter! It's not that long ago that Scunny and Sheffield organised a 'Halloween' meeting to end the season. When was that Rob, 2007 or 2008? Remember getting wrapped up for that one, fireworks also seem better and more appropriate at that time of year rather than the end of August! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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