British Speedway Promoters Meeting

[pandorum]

 

How do you know that if the rules not been published ? Don't you think it would make more sense to wait and see how the 2014 rules govern No 6&7 riders.?? It obviously suits your agenda to base your fault-finding on speculation rather than fact but until you know what the rules say you are simply guessing. If you stop and think about it for about two milliseconds it is quite possible to formulate an arrangement whereby the !-5 might cover to some extent for each other..

My agenda The 1-5 will cover for each other Even Hougaard racing has never come out with anything that crackpot.

 

So what you are saying is a format will be produced where tape exclusions, injuries to riders which cause them to be withdrawn and any other unforseen circumstance which makes a rider miss a ride will be covered by the 1-5 rather than the reserves.

I can't wait to see that one

 

2 milliseconds later and it still sounds bonkers but please as I am sure you have thought it out longer than me. Enlighten us to this magic format where reserves no longer cover for the ups and downs of the main body during a meeting.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Just seen this in the speedway star.

 

Grants are being considered for elite and premier league teams who set up second sides in the national league. Subject to a new television contract being agreed.

 

Great idea this.

Will be great if a number of clubs take up this offer - remember back in 2002 that Peterborough, Wolverhampton, Sheffield, Oxford, Newcastle, Stoke, Swindon & Rye House all did this... Can't recall if Newport did or if they were stand-alone CL back then; but over the years KL, Newport & Rye have always been good at running or hosting a third tier side alongside their 'main' side.

 

Personally if they do (EL & PL clubs entering a 'second side' that is..) I hope they consider using a different main team-name.. To me it's better all round to have that entirely separate identity - better to provoke interest locally and certainly better for those of us at other NL clubs (particularly the stand-alones) to 'spin' the League.

They'll always be people who'll accuse the NL of being a 'reserve' division otherwise, when with some imagination it can have the look & feel of a fully-fledged third division.

The example, I'm thinking needs to be followed is when Poole ran a successful NL club under te name & branding of Bournemouth Buccaneers.

[SCB]

I see Lewis Blackbird has tweeted the NL reserves are to be paid £40 a point with a guarantee of 3 points!!!! Woohoo £120 quid a meeting! Blackbird says he's not doing it and hopes all the NL boys will stick together.

I see the Elite league has the progression of the young Brits at heart

They'll be loaded then. They'll ride NL on a Sunday and score a 15 point max netting them £150. They'll then turn up at an EL meeting, beat the same riders for 7 points and get paid £280. Result. Not sure what they have to bitch about.

 

 

Will be great if a number of clubs take up this offer - remember back in 2002 that Peterborough, Wolverhampton, Sheffield, Oxford, Newcastle, Stoke, Swindon & Rye House all did this... Can't recall if Newport did or if they were stand-alone CL back then; but over the years KL, Newport & Rye have always been good at running or hosting a third tier side alongside their 'main' side.

 

Personally if they do (EL & PL clubs entering a 'second side' that is..) I hope they consider using a different main team-name.. To me it's better all round to have that entirely separate identity - better to provoke interest locally and certainly better for those of us at other NL clubs (particularly the stand-alones) to 'spin' the League.

They'll always be people who'll accuse the NL of being a 'reserve' division otherwise, when with some imagination it can have the look & feel of a fully-fledged third division.

The example, I'm thinking needs to be followed is when Poole ran a successful NL club under te name & branding of Bournemouth Buccaneers.

Newport were always a PL club. Though I think calling some of the Newport CL/NL teams "good" is stretching it. One year Newport had 6.5 rider Karl Mason, Tom Brown and Karlis Ezergailis as heatleaders and then Legg, Hurst, Minall and Mallett all failing to get 7 between them. Impressive when you think between heats 2,8 and 14 they were guaranteed 3 points!

[The White Knight]

Will be great if a number of clubs take up this offer - remember back in 2002 that Peterborough, Wolverhampton, Sheffield, Oxford, Newcastle, Stoke, Swindon & Rye House all did this... Can't recall if Newport did or if they were stand-alone CL back then; but over the years KL, Newport & Rye have always been good at running or hosting a third tier side alongside their 'main' side.

 

Personally if they do (EL & PL clubs entering a 'second side' that is..) I hope they consider using a different main team-name.. To me it's better all round to have that entirely separate identity - better to provoke interest locally and certainly better for those of us at other NL clubs (particularly the stand-alones) to 'spin' the League.

They'll always be people who'll accuse the NL of being a 'reserve' division otherwise, when with some imagination it can have the look & feel of a fully-fledged third division.

The example, I'm thinking needs to be followed is when Poole ran a successful NL club under te name & branding of Bournemouth Buccaneers.

 

 

Hey Parsloes - what a great idea. Newcastle 'Diamonds' could start a National League Team - I wonder what they could call it?

 

EUREKA!!!! I know...................................

 

SUNDERLAND 'STARS'!!!

 

Now wouldn't THAT be great.

[StevePark]

 

 

Hey Parsloes - what a great idea. Newcastle 'Diamonds' could start a National League Team - I wonder what they could call it?

 

EUREKA!!!! I know...................................

 

SUNDERLAND 'STARS'!!!

 

Now wouldn't THAT be great.

 

Or Newcastle Gems.... like they were called when in the Conference League

[A ORLOV]

Swindon used to have a junior side which ran in the second half which was good. When they had a junior meeting only the cost of running the meeting was not covered by the numbers attending. To run an NL team If grants are available this will help but you would have to look at the admission charge or many local fans would probably only go to the EL meeting if both teams raced in the same week. It would be good to have a Wiltshire Sparrow,s team

[The White Knight]

 

Or Newcastle Gems.... like they were called when in the Conference League

 

 

They did indeed Abbott - but crucially - Parsloe's Post stated that changing the name to perhaps capture folk from other areas would be a good idea - I believe it is a VERY worthwhile suggestion. I think I have come up with the perfect answer for Newcastle.

 

Don't you?

[Tom Turner]

 

 

Speaking as one of those will 'no longer be around' - you are right - on this Point at least. That is why I 'Liked' your Post.

 

Thank you, I certainly hope nobody took any offense to my comments.

 

I bet you first went to speedway when you were between 10 and 20 right? That's the age range we need to be targeting most as they will become the foundations of speedway in years to come.

[The White Knight]

 

Thank you, I certainly hope nobody took any offense to my comments.

 

I bet you first went to speedway when you were between 10 and 20 right? That's the age range we need to be targeting most as they will become the foundations of speedway in years to come.

 

 

I did indeed Synikalle - I was 19 years old. That was in 1964 at Sunderland. I've been hooked for nearly Forty years. Recently I have become very depressed and cynical about the state of the Sport I love(d) - it is certainly not the same nowadays - and some of the Rules beggar belief.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Or Newcastle Gems.... like they were called when in the Conference League

My point is, NOT to call them Newcastle anything but give the third tier team a different main name. Sunderland sadly wouldn't work (sorry TWK!) but the Byker Racers would be a cracking name!!

 

Newport were always a PL club. Though I think calling some of the Newport CL/NL teams "good" is stretching it.

I wasn't saying that the Newport CL sides were 'good'; I was saying it was good that the very progressive management at Newport always (well virtually always..) entered a side in the third tier.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Parsloes 1928 nearly

[The White Knight]

My point is, NOT to call them Newcastle anything but give the third tier team a different main name. Sunderland sadly wouldn't work (sorry TWK!) but the Byker Racers would be a cracking name!!

 

 

I wasn't saying that the Newport CL sides were 'good'; I was saying it was good that the very progressive management at Newport always (well virtually always..) entered a side in the third tier.

 

 

But that would NOT attract anyone from the biggest connurbation on the North East Coast.

[StevePark]

 

 

They did indeed Abbott - but crucially - Parsloe's Post stated that changing the name to perhaps capture folk from other areas would be a good idea - I believe it is a VERY worthwhile suggestion. I think I have come up with the perfect answer for Newcastle.

 

Don't you?

 

No.

 

Calling a team Sunderland is likely to keep people away!

 

More chance of attracting folk if they were called Byker (or some such local name).

[The White Knight]

 

No.

 

Calling a team Sunderland is likely to keep people away!

 

More chance of attracting folk if they were called Byker (or some such local name).

 

:rofl: Just the sort of response I expected - I find it all VERY sad.

 

WE come to Newcastle from Sunderland each week - why would a few folk from Sunderland put off Newcastle Supporters - or - is it that Football thing again. :sad:

[MattK]

Swindon used to have a junior side which ran in the second half which was good. When they had a junior meeting only the cost of running the meeting was not covered by the numbers attending. To run an NL team If grants are available this will help but you would have to look at the admission charge or many local fans would probably only go to the EL meeting if both teams raced in the same week. It would be good to have a Wiltshire Sparrow,s team

 

The real problem is if fans only go to the NL meetings, then suddenly your EL team is losing thousands of pounds a week. This is what happened at Oxford. Their EL team was performing terribly and their NL team very well, so fans missed EL meetings in favour of attending NL matches.

 

As others have said, running an NL team does not attract any new fans, unless you come up with a cleaver gimmick, like Dudley Heathens. You are therefore totally reliant on existing fans attending more meetings, which in the current climate is a big ask.

[StevePark]

 

:rofl: Just the sort of response I expected - I find it all VERY sad

 

WE come to Newcastle from Sunderland each week - why would a few folk from Sunderland put off Newcastle Supporters - or - is it that Football thing again. :sad:

 

Anyone from anywhere is welcome at Brough every week.

 

I just feel calling a team Sunderland in Newcastle would not attract local fans and, yes, it is, I'm afraid, a football thing, about the name.

[E I Addio]

My agenda The 1-5 will cover for each other Even Hougaard racing has never come out with anything that crackpot.

 

So what you are saying is a format will be produced where tape exclusions, injuries to riders which cause them to be withdrawn and any other unforseen circumstance which makes a rider miss a ride will be covered by the 1-5 rather than the reserves.

I can't wait to see that one

 

2 milliseconds later and it still sounds bonkers but please as I am sure you have thought it out longer than me. Enlighten us to this magic format where reserves no longer cover for the ups and downs of the main body during a meeting.

 

The answer is staring you in the face but if you can't work it out you'll have to wait for the rules. You won't like it of course because you won't like whatever they do, but for the moment just accept that you are completely wrong in banging on about reserves Coming out to replace a number one etc. Wait for the rules to be published then you can bang on to your hearts content about rules that actually exist instead of finding fault with rules that exist only in your imagination

[A ORLOV]

 

The real problem is if fans only go to the NL meetings, then suddenly your EL team is losing thousands of pounds a week. This is what happened at Oxford. Their EL team was performing terribly and their NL team very well, so fans missed EL meetings in favour of attending NL matches.

 

As others have said, running an NL team does not attract any new fans, unless you come up with a cleaver gimmick, like Dudley Heathens. You are therefore totally reliant on existing fans attending more meetings, which in the current climate is a big ask.

Did not know that happened at Oxford but I get your point.

[The White Knight]

 

Anyone from anywhere is welcome at Brough every week.

 

I just feel calling a team Sunderland in Newcastle would not attract local fans and, yes, it is, I'm afraid, a football thing, about the name.

 

 

We have always been made VERY welcome at Brough Park and loads of good folk know where we are from - no-one makes us feel unwelcome and we always have some playful banter.

 

We have great chat and great fun - apart from Double Points, which, in the area we stand, mostly agree the Rule is ridiculous.

 

It is truly a shame that it can't always be like that. :sad:

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

The real problem is if fans only go to the NL meetings, then suddenly your EL team is losing thousands of pounds a week. This is what happened at Oxford. Their EL team was performing terribly and their NL team very well, so fans missed EL meetings in favour of attending NL matches.

Hmm, not sure that's right. The year Oxford won the CL title they had barely any home fixtures from May 'til late September - when they completed the season via a series of double headers, at least two of which the FIRST match in the set of two was halted after heat 12 because of fears of breaking the curfew later. It was the low point in the history of the third tier - that a club holding the CL in such utter contempt were allowed to do this and end up as champs..

[Walshy1974]

 

Yes. A consumer making the decison not to spend their money on a product that does not cater to their requirements is very "adult like".

 

What a foolish post.

Why view their opinion then on a website then that caters for speedway supporters? See, it's bit of a giveaway in the supporters bit. I mean speedway's hardly thriving and what we really need is spoilt men behaving like 3 year olds. But who cares if people feel the "urge' to watch polish speedway and the British league suffer more.